You really don't want to start a 'poor defensless animal' debate. You'll lose. I didn't want to sidetrack the other thread and because it's an interesting debate I created this thread. People have certain key issues that they will defend to the nth. Hunting would be one for me. I have thought about it for sometime as a hunter and have come to the conlcusion there is no logical reason to be against hunting. We can start with MM's assertion "the defensless animals". Obviously a statement by someone who doesn't know much about them or hunting them. As if it's as simple as walking out shooting a deer whenever you feel like. Doesn't really work that way. Deer (for example) have some major advantages over humans. 1)they can smell better than you. 2) they can hear better than you 3)they can move faster than you. 4)their hides are well suited to blending into their environments 5)they move almost silently. Five pretty decent defenses for animals that MM claims don't have any defenses at all. If you're hunting in the woods a deer will smell you long before you will ever see it, he will hear you before you ever see him. Here are my questions the some of them assume you aren't a vegetarian Why do you prefer not knowing where your meat comes from? Why are you not oppossed to killing poor defensless cows or other store bought/fast food bought meat? Why are you not also oppossed to wolves killling deer for food? Their killing methods are far crueler than a humans.