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Sniiper FireWhat you are saying is the liberal laws to force providers to give away their services is fucked up.
That's not even remotely related to what he/she said but my question is, why to rw's believe that those who pay for own insurance should be forced to pay for their care too?
I am so sick of the welfare right wingers who talk such a good game right up until they have to get their check book out and pay their own way. No one who pays for their own insurance would be stupid enough to NOT want the opportunity to pay less. Therefore, they also would not want the Affordable Health Care Act struck down.
Probably not, as you can have a sustainable Public Option without raising taxes on everyone.
How much do you think you can raise only taxing the 1%?
You have no idea what the Public Option is do you?
Hmm. Perhaps not....However, the suits by those 26 states all must be heard.Why is it unconstitutional, then?
The Senate is elected to represent their states.
So you think emergency services shouldn't be provided at all? I'm not totally sure, but I thought that was a Ronald Reagan thing.
It forces a contract between an individual and an insurance company with penalties of fines or jail if said individual doesn't comply. No court will uphold a contract through coercion. That applies to any contract, not just healthcare.
Aside from that, I don't see other parts being struck down.
Do you not realize that individual policies are considerably more costly than group policies?
Now, if there was a public option available that would give the individuals group rates, that would be something wouldn't it?
It would be even better if we just all got health care and businesses AND individuals didn't have to worry about it.
Yes, I'm aware that group policies are cheaper than individual, but that still doesn't answer as to why your healthcare is your employer's responsibility instead of your own.
Employers provide Health Care as a way to attract quality employees. To properly compensate an employee that must purchase their own health care, the employer should then be prepared to pay a much higher salary.
If we are ever truly going to compete with other countries on a global scale, something must be done about our health care system. Most of the countries we are competing with have universal health care.
That is all well and good but you aren't answering as to why it should be placed on employers, under threat of penalty, to provide the insurance. Does an employer offer a job or take someone to raise?
Do I have to provide health insurance to my employees?
The Affordable Care Act does not require employers to provide health insurance for their employees.
The Employer Responsibility provision of the Affordable Care Act applies businesses with more than 50 full-time workers.
Small Business
You are either missing or avoiding the point. If you are a business with 50 or more employees, WHY should it be your responsibility to provide health care insurance to your employees or have to pay a fine? What part of you offering someone a job means that you have to take responsibility to provide their health care?
Here's the rub...We will be paying MORE. All of us who earn over the 400% of poverty threshold will see our bill increase dramatically. Those within say 20% of the threshold will find the mandate to be unaffordable.Sniiper FireWhat you are saying is the liberal laws to force providers to give away their services is fucked up.
That's not even remotely related to what he/she said but my question is, why to rw's believe that those who pay for own insurance should be forced to pay for their care too?
I am so sick of the welfare right wingers who talk such a good game right up until they have to get their check book out and pay their own way. No one who pays for their own insurance would be stupid enough to NOT want the opportunity to pay less. Therefore, they also would not want the Affordable Health Care Act struck down.
With Obamacare, there is no Free. There is no reduced 'cost'....Of there will be 'price' adjustments, but the provider will not be able to recoup their expenses due to new government rules. Eventually, there will be a contraction in the number of providers, in the number of hospitals, doctor's groups and students willing to go through the rigors and expense of medical school because there just will not be enough money in medicine.
Take a look at Canada. Most of that nation's medical professionals are foreign born.
The final blow of Obamacare will be rationed medicine. That's inevitable.
Do I have to provide health insurance to my employees?
The Affordable Care Act does not require employers to provide health insurance for their employees.
The Employer Responsibility provision of the Affordable Care Act applies businesses with more than 50 full-time workers.
Small Business
You are either missing or avoiding the point. If you are a business with 50 or more employees, WHY should it be your responsibility to provide health care insurance to your employees or have to pay a fine? What part of you offering someone a job means that you have to take responsibility to provide their health care?
Sthu and mind your own business- even that is too much for you, dittohead. You people are perfect tools of greedy corporate swine...LOL!
Yes, I'm aware that group policies are cheaper than individual, but that still doesn't answer as to why your healthcare is your employer's responsibility instead of your own.
Employers provide Health Care as a way to attract quality employees. To properly compensate an employee that must purchase their own health care, the employer should then be prepared to pay a much higher salary.
If we are ever truly going to compete with other countries on a global scale, something must be done about our health care system. Most of the countries we are competing with have universal health care.
And this one wins a "does not compute" award.
Health Care isn't the only thing that differentiates us and other countries.
I work with foriegn nationals who can't believe the size of the house they can afford in this country........
Keep spinnning......somewhere a garden is getting greener because of all your B.S.
My guess is the incarceration for non compliance was removed because the bill's sponsors did not want ACA to be referred to as a 'tax'.That at least makes sense, though I don't think there is any jail time involved. You can be incarcerated for not paying your taxes, but that is pretty rare.It forces a contract between an individual and an insurance company with penalties of fines or jail if said individual doesn't comply. No court will uphold a contract through coercion. That applies to any contract, not just healthcare.
Aside from that, I don't see other parts being struck down.
Yeah, that's correct. It doesn't state jail time in the bill. Incarceration through tax evasion would be jail time and it would have to be substantial.
You are either missing or avoiding the point. If you are a business with 50 or more employees, WHY should it be your responsibility to provide health care insurance to your employees or have to pay a fine? What part of you offering someone a job means that you have to take responsibility to provide their health care?
Sthu and mind your own business- even that is too much for you, dittohead. You people are perfect tools of greedy corporate swine...LOL!
Pull your head out of your ass, take a deep breath of fresh air and figure out just what a moron you look like every time you post.
You and sir Spamelot (Chris) must have sticky keys with your mindless little rants already programmed in.
Piss off, jerkwad.
You're a moron.
Lol !!!
Hmm. Perhaps not....However, the suits by those 26 states all must be heard.Why is it unconstitutional, then?
The Senate is elected to represent their states.
So you think emergency services shouldn't be provided at all? I'm not totally sure, but I thought that was a Ronald Reagan thing.
It forces a contract between an individual and an insurance company with penalties of fines or jail if said individual doesn't comply. No court will uphold a contract through coercion. That applies to any contract, not just healthcare.
Aside from that, I don't see other parts being struck down.
Also I expect a 10th Amendment challenge as well.
Plus, with the inevitability of a GOP legislature and White House, Obamacare will probably be legislated out of existence or at least defunded by other legislation.
Do I have to provide health insurance to my employees?
The Affordable Care Act does not require employers to provide health insurance for their employees.
The Employer Responsibility provision of the Affordable Care Act applies businesses with more than 50 full-time workers.
Small Business
You are either missing or avoiding the point. If you are a business with 50 or more employees, WHY should it be your responsibility to provide health care insurance to your employees or have to pay a fine? What part of you offering someone a job means that you have to take responsibility to provide their health care?
Sthu and mind your own business- even that is too much for you, dittohead. You people are perfect tools of greedy corporate swine...LOL!
Sthu and mind your own business- even that is too much for you, dittohead. You people are perfect tools of greedy corporate swine...LOL!
Pull your head out of your ass, take a deep breath of fresh air and figure out just what a moron you look like every time you post.
You and sir Spamelot (Chris) must have sticky keys with your mindless little rants already programmed in.
Piss off, jerkwad.
You're a moron.
Lol !!!
Very impressive, Pubtroll. Got any arguments AT ALL? Just STUPID insults...your type is OUR best argument...
It would be a good thing if such a large group could be created. Or at least private citizens could sign up to belong to a large covered group on their own.I want to know why anyone thinks it's right to force an employer to either provide health insurance for an employee or be fined. Why should it be the employers responsibility to buy the health insurance policy. If I pay you your wages, why can't you buy your own policy? Can't an employee be trusted to spend their wage wisely?
Do you not realize that individual policies are considerably more costly than group policies?
Now, if there was a public option available that would give the individuals group rates, that would be something wouldn't it?
It would be even better if we just all got health care and businesses AND individuals didn't have to worry about it.
You are either missing or avoiding the point. If you are a business with 50 or more employees, WHY should it be your responsibility to provide health care insurance to your employees or have to pay a fine? What part of you offering someone a job means that you have to take responsibility to provide their health care?
Sthu and mind your own business- even that is too much for you, dittohead. You people are perfect tools of greedy corporate swine...LOL!
LOLOL Did I strike a nerve there? Can you answer the question? Why should it be an employers responsibility to provide YOU with insurance? Did your boss become your Daddy?
Hmm. Perhaps not....However, the suits by those 26 states all must be heard.Why is it unconstitutional, then?
The Senate is elected to represent their states.
So you think emergency services shouldn't be provided at all? I'm not totally sure, but I thought that was a Ronald Reagan thing.
It forces a contract between an individual and an insurance company with penalties of fines or jail if said individual doesn't comply. No court will uphold a contract through coercion. That applies to any contract, not just healthcare.
Aside from that, I don't see other parts being struck down.
Also I expect a 10th Amendment challenge as well.
Plus, with the inevitability of a GOP legislature and White House, Obamacare will probably be legislated out of existence or at least defunded by other legislation.
Hmm. Perhaps not....However, the suits by those 26 states all must be heard.It forces a contract between an individual and an insurance company with penalties of fines or jail if said individual doesn't comply. No court will uphold a contract through coercion. That applies to any contract, not just healthcare.
Aside from that, I don't see other parts being struck down.
Also I expect a 10th Amendment challenge as well.
Plus, with the inevitability of a GOP legislature and White House, Obamacare will probably be legislated out of existence or at least defunded by other legislation.
First off, it forces no one to enter a contract. If your employer enters the contract and you get insurance as a result, you have to do nothing.
Second, if and when the Court strikes this down, the GOP will celebrate. Also, if the Court strikes this down it pretty much has to take down the entire law, as all parts intertwine. If they don't a Public Option becomes almost a given. But in the short term, while the GOP is celebrating, millions of Americans who currently have coverage will lose it over night, because "conservatives" challenged the law.
When that happens, the GOP won't win the White House and will most likely lose seats in Congress.
Maddow is a Rhodes scholar, Rush and Beck are HS grads/DJs fer CHRISSAKE.
