Question on CEO pay

[CrusaderFrank]

Why are Progressives obsessed with CEO pay but never say a peep about how well Progressive leaders in successful Progressive nations are doing?

The Chavez Family worth between 4 to 5 Billion

The Castros about a billion

Maduro is probably worth $100 million

KJU a few hundred million

Not a peep from our Progressive Jihadist

Odd

 

[JoeB131]

Why are Progressives obsessed with CEO pay but never say a peep about how well Progressive leaders in successful Progressive nations are doing?

Because, um, these things aren't happening in our country...

However, these CEO's getting nine-figure salaries for cheating people out of health care after they paid for insurance... that actually IS happening in this country and we can do something about it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why are Progressives obsessed with CEO pay but never say a peep about how well Progressive leaders in successful Progressive nations are doing?

Because, um, these things aren't happening in our country...

However, these CEO's getting nine-figure salaries for cheating people out of health care after they paid for insurance... that actually IS happening in this country and we can do something about it.

You think companies advertise that? Can you name even one of these imaginary companies?

 

[JoeB131]

You think companies advertise that? Can you name even one of these imaginary companies?

Um, yeah. Cigna.

Cigna Gives $110.9 Million Compensation Package To Ex-CEO | HuffPost

The insurance giant Cigna last year gave compensation packages worth more than $120 million to two executives who left the company, according to a filing with the SEC on Friday.

The vast majority of that total went to former chairman and CEO H. Edward Hanway who left his post with a retirement package worth $110.9 million — which included $18.8 million in executive compensation for 2009, as well as a healthy pension plan, deferred compensation and stock options.

CIGNA Employee Flips Off Mother Of Dead Girl Denied Transplant | HuffPost

Hilda and Krikor Sarkisyan went to CIGNA’s Philadelphia headquarters, along with supporters from the California Nurses Association, to confront the CEO Edward Hanway over the death of her 17-year-old child.

In 2007, Nataline Sarkisyan was denied a liver transplant by the company, on the grounds that the operation was “too experimental” to be covered. Nine days later it changed its mind, in response to protests outside its office. It was too late: Nataline died hours later.

“CIGNA killed my daughter,” Nataline’s mother Hilda told security. “I want an apology.” Sarkisyan was not able to speak to Hanway; a communications specialist talked to her instead. After their conversation, employees heckled the group from a balcony; one man gave them the finger. CIGNA called the police and had the family and their friends escorted from the building.

 

[Redfish]

Why are Progressives obsessed with CEO pay but never say a peep about how well Progressive leaders in successful Progressive nations are doing?

The Chavez Family worth between 4 to 5 Billion

The Castros about a billion

Maduro is probably worth $100 million

KJU a few hundred million

Not a peep from our Progressive Jihadist

Odd

progressives are America hating hypocrites and losers in life. its who they are and what they do. we need to accept that and continue to defeat them until they are no longer a significant sector of American life.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why are Progressives obsessed with CEO pay but never say a peep about how well Progressive leaders in successful Progressive nations are doing?

The Chavez Family worth between 4 to 5 Billion

The Castros about a billion

Maduro is probably worth $100 million

KJU a few hundred million

Not a peep from our Progressive Jihadist

Odd

progressives are America hating hypocrites and losers in life. its who they are and what they do. we need to accept that and continue to defeat them until they are no longer a significant sector of American life.

What a coincidence.

At this very moment I am writing a paper on the Progressives as the model for Hitler's doctrines....

...you're gonna love it.

 

[task0778]

While the huge multi-million pay packages of a few hundred CEOs get all of the media attention, what usually receives much less attention is the small number of CEOs represented in the annual salary surveys, especially compared to the total number of CEOs in the US. For example, the WSJ’s executive compenstation survey last year included only 300 CEOs at large, U.S.-traded public companies, and the AP analyzed compensation figures for only 337 companies in the S&P 500 last year. The AFL-CIO did an analysis of the CEOs of 350 companies in the S&P 500 in 2013 and then computed a “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” of 331 times, up from a ratio of 300 ten years ago and 200 twenty years ago.
Although these samples of 300-350 CEOs are representative of large, publicly-traded, multinational US companies, they certainly aren’t very representative of the average US company or the average US CEO. According to both the BLS and the Census Bureau, there are more than 7 million private firms in the US, so the samples of 300-350 firms for CEO pay represent only one of about every 21,500 private firms in the US, or about 1/200 of 1% of the total number of US firms. And yet the AFL-CIO, Financial Times, AP, the WSJ and others compare the average annual wages of hundreds of millions of full-time employees working at the more than 7 million US companies to the CEO pay of executives at only several hundred companies, which is hardly a fair comparison.
We can get a more accurate and complete picture of CEO compensation in the US by looking at wage data released recently by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in its annual report on Occupational Employment and Wages for 2014. The BLS report provides “employment and wage estimates by area and by industry for wage and salary workers in 22 major occupational groups, 94 minor occupational groups, 458 broad occupations, and 821 detailed occupations,” including the occupational category “chief executives.” In 2014, the BLS reports that the average pay for America’s 246,240 chief executives was only $180,700. The CEOs of the 300-350 S&P 500 firms that supposedly represent typical CEO compensation represent only one out of about every 820 firms in the country (or 1/7 of 1%) that have a CEO at the head. The larger sample of almost a quarter-million CEOs reported by the BLS gives us a much better understanding of “average CEO compensation.”
For the larger sample of CEOs reported by the BLS, their average pay of $180,700 last year was an increase of only 1.3% from the average CEO pay of $178,400 in 2013. In contrast, the BLS reports that the average pay of all workers increased by 1.7% last year to $47,230 from $46,440 in 2013. That’s right, the average worker last year saw an increase in their pay that was more than 30% greater than the increase in pay for the average US CEO.
And the “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” for the average CEO compared to the average worker was only 3.83 times last year (see chart above), nowhere close to the pay ratio of 331X reported by the AFL-CIO using the 350 highest-paid CEOs in the country. Call it a “statistical falsehood-to-truth ratio” of 87-to-1 for the AFL-CIO’s exaggerated, bogus ratio. The chart above also shows that the real CEO-to-worker pay ratio has not been increasing as is frequently reported, but instead has been remarkably constant over the last 13 years, averaging 3.8-to-1 in a tight range between a maximum of 3.89-to-1 in 2004 and a minimum of 3.69-to-1 in both 2005 and 2006. The ratio of 3.83-to-1 in the most recent year (2014) was actually the lowest CEO-to-worker ratio in six years, since 2008.
Bottom Line: Discussions about “excessive CEO pay” and comparisons to average worker pay are distorted by looking at only an outlier group of the 300-350 CEOs of America’s largest, multinational companies, out of a total of almost 250,000 chief executives nationwide. Of course, many younger, risk-taking CEOs are running early stage startups and tech companies, and probably make even less than the average CEO reported by the BLS, as Scott Drum pointed out to me in a recent email. Further, he commented that “The startup CEOs are usually not in it for the salary in the early years. They’re in it for the big payoff in the long run if things go exceptionally well. If we reduce or limit the size of the Big Payoff, don’t we reduce the number of people trying to get there?”
The fact that there are almost 250,000 ambitious CEOs making less than $200,000 today on average who are trying to someday be listed by the AFL-CIO or the Wall Street Journal as one of the top 300-350 highest-paid CEOs is a sign of a dynamic, wealth-generating, job-creating economy. We should applaud the richest 300-350 CEOs as a group of the most successful American business professionals, and not vilify them. And we should keep in mind that the CEO compensation surveys that generate all the media attention are always based on a tiny, elite outlier group, and not representative of the average CEO in America – who earns about as much as the average dentist and less than four times more than the average worker.

When we consider all US 'chief executives,' the ‘CEO-to-worker pay ratio’ falls from 331:1 to below 4:1 - AEI


I get so tired of all the crap about excessive CEO pay in this country. Where's the outrage about excessive pay for the top artists and actors/actresses and sports figures? If a company or corporation wants to pay somebody $100 million dollars, then that's on them; whether he/she earned it or not really doesn't matter cuz it's their business not ours.

That doesn't mean we can't raise hell about it, and boycott their product or whatever. If they ain't payig their employees a fair wage then the employees have the right to demonstrate about it, and both sides can deal with the fallout.

 

[JoeB131]

I get so tired of all the crap about excessive CEO pay in this country. Where's the outrage about excessive pay for the top artists and actors/actresses and sports figures? If a company or corporation wants to pay somebody $100 million dollars, then that's on them; whether he/she earned it or not really doesn't matter cuz it's their business not ours.

Ah, this tired argument.

Hey, when I go to a movie to see a Star who is getting 8 figures, I'm going to see that Star. That's the investment the company makes.

I've never bought a product because someone specific was the CEO making bad decisions, while someone else did the real work.

But if you want to go that route. Absolutely, let's use Hollywood as an example. The writers, technicians, directors, production assistance ALL BELONG TO UNIONS and get paid union scale.