Question for Ryan and supporters of the Tax Bill

Do you support the cut of corporate taxes, or support a tax credit?


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Worker wages, as a percentage of overall costs, are at levels not seen since the Guilded Age. Workers haven’t seen their wages increase in any real way since Reagan.

The working class no longer has savings and are dependent on earned income credits and other government assistance. That assistance is funded by middle class taxpayers.

Corporations and the wealthy don’t need more money, workers do. Trump sold the tax cuts to a skeptical public on the idea that companies would give their workers raises. Without raises, the Middle Class is paying for the food stamps and the EIC’s.

That’s what’s wrong with it.

Working class jobs are being replaced with automation because it is cheaper to build and maintain a robot than to pay wages to workers that demand increasing pay for the same value of work.

Then you have sub-working class jobs, like fast food jobs, that were never meant to be careers being passed off a such because they were something that was not being automated until recently with the calls for the "livable wage", which again asks companies to pay above the value of work being added to the product and/or service.
It's not the same value of work. You're wrong. Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

Productivity increases are due to equipment provided and purchased by the employer for use by the employees.

The same was true in the Industrial Age and yet workers got to share in profits of increased productivity through their unions. The middle class was built by unions getting workers better wages.

Reagan told Americans that once the unions were gone, workers would get a raise. The opposite happened. Once the unions were gone, management got raises, the workers got nothing.

Walmart actually succeeded in lowering the wages of retail workers nation wide by destroying retail jobs across the country. Companies which failed to follow their model were driven out of business by their inability to compete. Once the competition was gone, Walmart was the only game in town and they paid minimum wage.


Still harping on Walmart. The company that has solved more national problems than Congress. Implemented their OWN "pay day loan" service at usable costs. Brought prescription drugs for EVERYONE down by doing their OWN negotiations with the drug companies.

So how come you didn't mention Amazon? Much bigger threat to retail than conservatism. Fact is -- the NATURE of a job has radically changed. And the UNIONS are still in 19th Century mode about "what a job is".. CAREERS are not on their radar. Multi-skills are a bad thing. And that's WHY they are now irrelevant. I'm not anti-Union. I'm for blasting the message about how jobs have changed. And how to prepare for 21st Century jobs -- post Industrial Rev. Mainly it's preparation for CREATIVITY, Problem Solving, Entreprenurial skills, flexibility in talents and Self-guiding careers. Because, the only LABOR left to do (other than absolutely menial labor) will be to invent, create, and promote things that YOU believe in. And that are useful to others.

You missed the entire point of the post which is that Walmart lowered retail wages across the board.

Amazon is changing the way people shop. Whole different set of problems being created there.

Yes, jobs are changing, as are the skills needed to do those jobs. But the American education system hasn’t changed. And poor kids aren’t being taught the skills they need for today’s economy meaning that they’ll never be qualified for doing work which will get them out of poverty.

Trump promised workers he’d bring back manufacturing jobs and coal mining jobs. It ain’t happening.

In fact, nothing Trump promised I’d happening except deregulation of environmental pollution and tax cuts for millionaires.
 
Working class jobs are being replaced with automation because it is cheaper to build and maintain a robot than to pay wages to workers that demand increasing pay for the same value of work.

Then you have sub-working class jobs, like fast food jobs, that were never meant to be careers being passed off a such because they were something that was not being automated until recently with the calls for the "livable wage", which again asks companies to pay above the value of work being added to the product and/or service.
It's not the same value of work. You're wrong. Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

What about employee compensation?
What about it?

Has it been flat for 40 years?

No it hasn’t been flat, it’s declined in terms of purchasing power. That’s why the working poor have lost their savings. They’ve had to spend their savings just to stay in the same place.

Had the minimum wage kept pace with inflation, it would be $25 per hour today.

And inflation would be much worse if we paid people $25 an hour for work that wasn't worth that much.

The working poor NEVER had savings to begin with, that's why they were the working poor. One also has to take into account all the new expenses we have just in the past 20 years or so. Internet access, cell phones, cable bills, all things we never paid for prior to this, and even if they supplanted some bills (landlines), they cost far more than those ver did.
 
Working class jobs are being replaced with automation because it is cheaper to build and maintain a robot than to pay wages to workers that demand increasing pay for the same value of work.

Then you have sub-working class jobs, like fast food jobs, that were never meant to be careers being passed off a such because they were something that was not being automated until recently with the calls for the "livable wage", which again asks companies to pay above the value of work being added to the product and/or service.
It's not the same value of work. You're wrong. Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

Productivity increases are due to equipment provided and purchased by the employer for use by the employees.

The same was true in the Industrial Age and yet workers got to share in profits of increased productivity through their unions. The middle class was built by unions getting workers better wages.

Reagan told Americans that once the unions were gone, workers would get a raise. The opposite happened. Once the unions were gone, management got raises, the workers got nothing.

Walmart actually succeeded in lowering the wages of retail workers nation wide by destroying retail jobs across the country. Companies which failed to follow their model were driven out of business by their inability to compete. Once the competition was gone, Walmart was the only game in town and they paid minimum wage.


Still harping on Walmart. The company that has solved more national problems than Congress. Implemented their OWN "pay day loan" service at usable costs. Brought prescription drugs for EVERYONE down by doing their OWN negotiations with the drug companies.

So how come you didn't mention Amazon? Much bigger threat to retail than conservatism. Fact is -- the NATURE of a job has radically changed. And the UNIONS are still in 19th Century mode about "what a job is".. CAREERS are not on their radar. Multi-skills are a bad thing. And that's WHY they are now irrelevant. I'm not anti-Union. I'm for blasting the message about how jobs have changed. And how to prepare for 21st Century jobs -- post Industrial Rev. Mainly it's preparation for CREATIVITY, Problem Solving, Entreprenurial skills, flexibility in talents and Self-guiding careers. Because, the only LABOR left to do (other than absolutely menial labor) will be to invent, create, and promote things that YOU believe in. And that are useful to others.

You missed the entire point of the post which is that Walmart lowered retail wages across the board.

Amazon is changing the way people shop. Whole different set of problems being created there.

Yes, jobs are changing, as are the skills needed to do those jobs. But the American education system hasn’t changed. And poor kids aren’t being taught the skills they need for today’s economy meaning that they’ll never be qualified for doing work which will get them out of poverty.

Trump promised workers he’d bring back manufacturing jobs and coal mining jobs. It ain’t happening.

In fact, nothing Trump promised I’d happening except deregulation of environmental pollution and tax cuts for millionaires.

I'm not the one "missing points".. Amazon's INTENT is to REDESIGN ALL of retail sales and make ALL of those jobs obsolete. The only way you get a "retail job" with Amazon is warehouse work or a phone job as customer service. And they don't do much "phone work". It IS a FAR BIGGER THREAT to retail jobs than ANYTHING that Walmart ever did.
 
Working class jobs are being replaced with automation because it is cheaper to build and maintain a robot than to pay wages to workers that demand increasing pay for the same value of work.

Then you have sub-working class jobs, like fast food jobs, that were never meant to be careers being passed off a such because they were something that was not being automated until recently with the calls for the "livable wage", which again asks companies to pay above the value of work being added to the product and/or service.
It's not the same value of work. You're wrong. Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

Productivity has increased over the last 40 years but wages have gone flat.

What about employee compensation?
What about it?

Has it been flat for 40 years?

No it hasn’t been flat, it’s declined in terms of purchasing power. That’s why the working poor have lost their savings. They’ve had to spend their savings just to stay in the same place.

Had the minimum wage kept pace with inflation, it would be $25 per hour today.

No it hasn’t been flat, it’s declined in terms of purchasing power.

Can you prove that claim?

That’s why the working poor have lost their savings.

You understand that the working poor are a small subset of all employees, right?

Had the minimum wage kept pace with inflation, it would be $25 per hour today.

Kept up from what date?
 

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