Question for Paul supporters

[Avorysuds]

Flattery will get you nowhere.


Ron Paul is a hypocrite and if you have no problem with that then so be it.

Really, he is not and you any ability to prove he is. What Paul does is follow the laws we have but he talks about how damaging the laws we have are, and he is right.

The real issue is you're a typical Paul hater, you see Paul follow the law as bad because Paul himself said the system is bad yet you hold no other person on the stage with him accountable despite their record being 100x worse.

Sure he is and I gave a great example.

Your blind support is well.... sad.

Oh I don't hate Paul, hell he delivered me. And I actually enjoy discussions between the two of us even though I think he's an idiot and he probably thinks the same about me. Fact is Paul games the system in order to appear conservative and folks like you apparently buy into it.

As for the others on stage, they haven't been brought up. But they are hypocrites in their own right.

I'm still undecided but I know that Ron Paul will not get my vote just for his foreign policy stance alone.

And you still have not proven for a moment where Paul is wrong on this issue... I guess because he delivered you that makes Paul wrong on not wanting earmarks... You're retarded btw.

Next you can join Jill in attacking Paul for wanting term limits but not following his own belief.

It's honestly just dumb talking to you as you seem to not understand the topic on any level.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Flattery will get you nowhere.


Ron Paul is a hypocrite and if you have no problem with that then so be it.

Really, he is not and you any ability to prove he is. What Paul does is follow the laws we have but he talks about how damaging the laws we have are, and he is right.

The real issue is you're a typical Paul hater, you see Paul follow the law as bad because Paul himself said the system is bad yet you hold no other person on the stage with him accountable despite their record being 100x worse.

Sure he is and I gave a great example.

Your blind support is well.... sad.

Oh I don't hate Paul, hell he delivered me. And I actually enjoy discussions between the two of us even though I think he's an idiot and he probably thinks the same about me. Fact is Paul games the system in order to appear conservative and folks like you apparently buy into it.

As for the others on stage, they haven't been brought up. But they are hypocrites in their own right.

I'm still undecided but I know that Ron Paul will not get my vote just for his foreign policy stance alone.

Lol you truly are amazing.

You puff out your chest and pretend to be this principled conservative in Paul discussions.

Yet you couldn't care less about how liberal Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Bush, McCain or any of the big government types your party props up are.

They're a million times more liberal than Paul, and you'll gleefully vote for one of these chumps again like you always do.

 

[Foxfyre]

Would you support the nominee if it's not Ron Paul but he chooses Rand for VP?


Ron Paul is the poison pill of the republican nomination proccess. He is the "Ralph Nader" of the GOP. He will keep his supporters. He is far more visible this time around and his message remains the same. He will never endorse another candidate. He will make his point and by doing so ensure an Obama victory.

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich wins the nomination and chooses Rand Paul as their VP choice. Would you support the nominee despite it not being Ron Paul?

Yes. I've had to hold my nose on most elections, state and national.

That's why you continue to hold your nose when you vote. Because you allow it to happen. Continue holding your nose and you will be holding it every time you vote.

 

[Crackerjack]

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

Do you talk down to everyone, or just Ron Paul supporters?

 

[Avorysuds]

Its amazing how so many of the neocons blameus (Paul supporters) for their lack of conservative candidates... Maybe you guys shouldn't cheer Newt when he talks crap about Obama care after supporting it for 18 or so years...

Maybe it's true, most Americans have a short term memory.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Would you support the nominee if it's not Ron Paul but he chooses Rand for VP?


Ron Paul is the poison pill of the republican nomination proccess. He is the "Ralph Nader" of the GOP. He will keep his supporters. He is far more visible this time around and his message remains the same. He will never endorse another candidate. He will make his point and by doing so ensure an Obama victory.

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

Read my signature.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Would you support the nominee if it's not Ron Paul but he chooses Rand for VP?


Ron Paul is the poison pill of the republican nomination proccess. He is the "Ralph Nader" of the GOP. He will keep his supporters. He is far more visible this time around and his message remains the same. He will never endorse another candidate. He will make his point and by doing so ensure an Obama victory.

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

 

[Avorysuds]

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

Do you talk down to everyone, or just Ron Paul supporters?

Because voting for the Giant Government guys like Newt and Mitt or a full on bigot like Santorum is a real option when putting country over ideology...


No no, don't stick to a belief guys, vote for party over country just cuz!

I will keep saying this because it makes me happy. The Republican party will not win a GE for many elections to come… The Neocones need to die off first. Voting for anything Red is pathetic.

 

[Foxfyre]

Would you support the nominee if it's not Ron Paul but he chooses Rand for VP?


Ron Paul is the poison pill of the republican nomination proccess. He is the "Ralph Nader" of the GOP. He will keep his supporters. He is far more visible this time around and his message remains the same. He will never endorse another candidate. He will make his point and by doing so ensure an Obama victory.

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

 

[Avorysuds]

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Ahem. What makes the other republican candidates conservatives? Take your time....
It sounds like you just want me to vote republican for the sake of voting republican. It's a shit show between the other candidates. Not one of them even begins to touch on my core beliefs. They're all big govt. guys and have atrocious public records to back that up.

I'm voting for what I believe the country needs. Same as I suspect you are.

 

[Crackerjack]

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

It's critical that Team Red wins. Because if Team Blue wins, well, that would be bad.

It would be fascinating to see what would happen if Obama switched parties.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

So you will cast a vote to ensure the re-election of somebody with strong Marxist/socialist beliefs, who says we can spend the country into prosperity, and has already brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. You can point to no Republican, however liberal, who condones that. You would help hasten the destruction of the America that we know, but at least you would be principled.

At some point, Americans have to consider the consequences of what we do however well intentioned we are.

 

[HUGGY]

Would you support the nominee if it's not Ron Paul but he chooses Rand for VP?


Ron Paul is the poison pill of the republican nomination proccess. He is the "Ralph Nader" of the GOP. He will keep his supporters. He is far more visible this time around and his message remains the same. He will never endorse another candidate. He will make his point and by doing so ensure an Obama victory.

False, once Ron Paul dies I'll be every bit against the big gov't libs in the rep party as I am against your hero big gov't libs in the dem party.


I'm not a republican, I'm a Ron Paul supporter. The day there's more than one fiscally responsible small gov't conservative in gov't, I'll support him/her. Couldn't care less what party s/he is or isn't in.

My what? You are an idiot.

 

[Avorysuds]

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

So you will cast a vote to ensure the re-election of somebody with strong Marxist/socialist beliefs, who says we can spend the country into prosperity, and has already brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. You can point to no Republican, however liberal, who condones that. You would help hasten the destruction of the America that we know, but at least you would be principled.

At some point, Americans have to consider the consequences of what we do however well intentioned we are.

No, that is why I will vote for Paul... Are you stupid, seriously.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

Do you talk down to everyone, or just Ron Paul supporters?

Because voting for the Giant Government guys like Newt and Mitt or a full on bigot like Santorum is a real option when putting country over ideology...


No no, don't stick to a belief guys, vote for party over country just cuz!

I will keep saying this because it makes me happy. The Republican party will not win a GE for many elections to come… The Neocones need to die off first. Voting for anything Red is pathetic.

Yep

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

It's critical that Team Red wins. Because if Team Blue wins, well, that would be bad.

It would be fascinating to see what would happen if Obama switched parties.

Politicians do that from time too time

 

[Montrovant]

Ron Paul is at the bottom of my preference list for a few reasons, but I would vote for him in a heart beat if he wins the nomination. Which he won't of course. I don't expect him to endorse somebody he doesn't feel is right for the job any more than most of the other candidates who have suspended their campaigns have been expected to endorse somebody. But I don't hold as negative a view of him as you seem to hold in this post.

I would hope that the Ron Paul supporters would put country ahead of ideology; the best interests of America ahead of their emotional support for Congressman Paul. If a Ron Paul or nobody is their choice, they will probably re-elect Obama. And in my opinion, that cuts of their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Nobody who is a Ron Paul supporter could possibly not know how destructive that would be.

That's what we're doing. It isn't "emotional support" either. It's integrity and conviction. I'm not gonna vote to put the (R) in just because it is an (R). I'll never NOT vote ideologically. Never. That's for the "lesser of two evils" crowd.

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

I am not a Paul supporter, but I think you are missing the point here Foxy. To the Paul supporters on this site, voting for one of the other republican candidates is just as much 'throwing the country into the toilet' as voting for Obama. It's not just Paul supporters, either. There seems to be a surprisingly large number of posters on this site that don't see an appreciable difference between the major parties or the candidates they endorse. There may be differences in the rhetoric, but they are similar enough in actions that it matters little who is chosen.

We had 8 years of massive government spending under Bush. Obama ran as the anti-Bush, hope and change and all that. He gets elected, and what do we see? More massive government spending. Continuation of the Patriot Act. Continuation of the wars in the middle east. Basically, same old, same old. If you consider government spending to be the most important issue by far, and don't believe the current crop of republican candidates will cut or even slow down spending, then it only makes sense NOT to vote for the R.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Ahem. What you are saying here is exactly what voting ideologically is. You would throw the country into the toilet if you can't have your way. That, my friend, is a very large reason that we are in the mess we are in.

Holy shit man, yes, vote for what you believe in, not a lesser of two evils when that evil is almost un definable on difference from the other evil (Obama).

Spending

Wars

IT’S THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES. How about I not vote for someone that won’t balance the budget and follow the constitution… Lets see, that knocks off Santorum, Mitt and Newt!


Good luck!

So you will cast a vote to ensure the re-election of somebody with strong Marxist/socialist beliefs, who says we can spend the country into prosperity, and has already brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. You can point to no Republican, however liberal, who condones that. You would help hasten the destruction of the America that we know, but at least you would be principled.

At some point, Americans have to consider the consequences of what we do however well intentioned we are.

Should you need reminding that Bush spent us into a huge debt too? Yes, Obama is a marxist and wants to install socialism. What do the republicans want to do? Spend us into WW3 and advocate more corporatism al la Mousilini style?

Both parties want to drive us off the cliff. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me which red or blue you put in there. Their ideas on how to mandate our freedoms away are in the end, the same.