Question for Conservatives...

[Revere]

None of those people are getting tax breaks any different from what they are now.

 

[edthecynic]

The deficit went into decline until 2007. Unemployement remained low and stable.

The deficit went from a decline of $45 billion Clinton's last year to an increase to $200+ billion Bush's first year to an increase to $500+ billion by the end of 2007.
To CON$ that increase is a decline.

Unemployment went from 3.90% when Clinton left office to 5% by Dec 2007 to 7.40% when Bush left office.
To CON$ that increase is stable.

You mean Bush is responsible for the first two years of Obama's economic performance, but Clinton was not responsible for the first two years of Bush's?

You mean you can't admit your dishonesty has been exposed so you try to deflect!
Thank you.

 

[California Girl]

Rule of thumb for economics 101.

It takes a total of 10 years to determine the effectiveness of the change of interest rates and 8 years to determine the effectiveness of tax cuts.

Can you link or back that up?

Ask any economist and they'll basically say the same thing. It takes years to really see the full impact of any change.

 

[Stephanie]

LOL, this extension of the BUSH TAX CUTS, is now being CALLED the Obamas..

REMEMBER folks COME 2012... the Obama was AGAINST IT BEFORE HE WAS FOR IT.

 

[rightwinger]

Lower taxes has nothing to do with jobs...they will just keep the money like they always have

 

[KMAN]

Since you're the self proclaimed experts on this.

Once what is now the Obama Tax Plan is passed, how soon can we expect to see significant improvement in the jobs situation?

If it's passed within a month...

a. Job gains will explode almost immediately, taking unemployment down a point or two by spring.

b. Job gains will be moderate and slow.

c. There won't be any jobs gains of any consequence for a year, because tax cuts don't create jobs.

Can we say none of the above? Job Gains probably won't happen until we get a President that is pro business and interested in creating private sector jobs instead of Government jobs.

 

[DiamondDave]

Things will stop sliding in the ditch.

No jobs growth until Obamacare is repealed.

Obamacare can never be repealed, unless you envision a GOP president and 60 plus GOP Senators anytime soon.

Defund the fucker

 

[Truthmatters]

You mean Bush is responsible for the first two years of Obama's economic performance, but Clinton was not responsible for the first two years of Bush's?

You act as if Bush had nothing to do with what Obama inherited.

You also act as if Clinton was responsible for Bushs tax cuts in 2001.

You are the worst kind of fact adverse brick brained con.

 

[DiamondDave]

I don't think there will be a huge employment benefit from this... where some things could help slightly with keeping the tax rates, the rest of the bullshit is borrowed stimulus that will have to be funded in some way or borrowed again... if business is left alone more and profits start getting taken to eventually have owners more comfortable to then start reinvesting and wanting their businesses to grow, we will indeed see improvement... but having Obama and the DEMs leave business and high income earners alone will always be an uphill battle with their class warfare mindset

 

[Truthmatters]

Things will stop sliding in the ditch.

No jobs growth until Obamacare is repealed.

Obamacare can never be repealed, unless you envision a GOP president and 60 plus GOP Senators anytime soon.

Defund the fucker

Good luck allowing people to be kicked out of their insurance they paid for because they got sick.

Good luck telling the American people their sick children once again can be told to go away and die because they cost the insurance bottom line too much profit.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Since you're the self proclaimed experts on this.

Once what is now the Obama Tax Plan is passed, how soon can we expect to see significant improvement in the jobs situation?

If it's passed within a month...

a. Job gains will explode almost immediately, taking unemployment down a point or two by spring.

b. Job gains will be moderate and slow.

c. There won't be any jobs gains of any consequence for a year, because tax cuts don't create jobs.

Nothing has changed. So I'd say 'b'.

Many employers are going to wait and see with obamacare, b/c they need to know what thier new cost is. Once that is detemined, there may be growth or loss of jobs as obamacare has been, currrently, deemed to expensive for many employers.

Why do you think so many are bribing dems to exempt them?

 

[Full-Auto]

Things will stop sliding in the ditch.

No jobs growth until Obamacare is repealed.

Obamacare can never be repealed, unless you envision a GOP president and 60 plus GOP Senators anytime soon.

Really, so you will be able to implement it without funding?

Let us know how that works out.

 

[editec]

Sometimes the economy is just its own animal. There will be no identifiable cause/effect in the near or long term.

Oh they can always identify the cause and effect AFTER THE FACT.

That's what economists are really good at.

What they're apparently not good at, is recognizing a cause BEFORE its effect.

All that math they use is just so much nonsense.

Wanna know why?

Because it is all founded (and I mean every bit of it) on a principle that is false.

And what is that false principle?

That people act rationally when making economic decisions.

Do they?

Do they really?

Anybody with a LICK OF SENSE has known since the great TULIP BUBBLE (of about 1600 or so) that is just silly.

Look at every investment bubble in history (there's hundred of them BTW) and you see the same pattern of behavior.

And that pattern is that men do NOT ALWAYS make RATIONAL decisions.

In fact, what most people do is make decisions based on what the people around them are making.

One of these days, economics as a serious study will be relegated to the same place in history that ASTROLOGY is today.

You want the truth?

In an honestly run market?

NOBODY KNOWS NUTTIN!


Of course, an entirely "honestly run market" has never existed, and can never exist.

The ONLY way such a thing could exist is if every investor had all available information.

And even then, predicting future behavior of the market is pretty much impossible.

Why?

Because people do not make RATIONAL decisions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There will be only slight improvement and it should let Obama keep unemployment under double digits

 

[Stephanie]

LOL, here come the BUS. ALL OVER TAX CUTS. hard to believe.

the one lady said she's in the HIGHEST TAX BRACKET and she don't need the money...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNeizeFjpe4[/ame]

 

[DaGoose]

Rule of thumb for economics 101.

It takes a total of 10 years to determine the effectiveness of the change of interest rates and 8 years to determine the effectiveness of tax cuts.

Can you link or back that up?

Ask any economist and they'll basically say the same thing. It takes years to really see the full impact of any change.

I don't personally know any economists that I can just pick up the phone and call.

So I guess you'll just have to link it or otherwise back it up.

 

[DaGoose]

Things will stop sliding in the ditch.

No jobs growth until Obamacare is repealed.

Obamacare can never be repealed, unless you envision a GOP president and 60 plus GOP Senators anytime soon.

Really, so you will be able to implement it without funding?

Let us know how that works out.

It will be like Social Security and Medicare. Once the American people start using it then they will expect it to continue.

Just like you and I both know that the GOP will not let those programs die it will be the same with Obamacare.

Defund it? Don't make me laugh. It will never happen.

Obamacare is here to stay. Get used to it.