Question about Shanksville crash

[420ish]

Contamination

Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence

They identified all the passengers through DNA.

 

[420ish]

One more thing, are there any news or official reports that state most of the plane was found beneath the ground?

Can someone help me out with this?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Contamination

Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence

They identified all the passengers through DNA.

There is no point in trying to have a reasonable discussion with EOTS on this issue, he is a flaming troofer. Further all you will get is a large repeated posting of links to people that do not say what he claims they say.

 

[420ish]

Contamination

Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence

They identified all the passengers through DNA.

There is no point in trying to have a reasonable discussion with EOTS on this issue, he is a flaming troofer. Further all you will get is a large repeated posting of links to people that do not say what he claims they say.

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[Fizz]

One more thing, are there any news or official reports that state most of the plane was found beneath the ground?

Can someone help me out with this?

i dont think it was ever stated. i would imagine the heavier pieces would carry momentum and end up in the ground but the lighter pieces, such as the aluminum skin would be shattered into small pieces and be easily deflected.

 

[420ish]

One more thing, are there any news or official reports that state most of the plane was found beneath the ground?

Can someone help me out with this?

i dont think it was ever stated. i would imagine the heavier pieces would carry momentum and end up in the ground but the lighter pieces, such as the aluminum skin would be shattered into small pieces and be easily deflected.

Yes they had to dig down 40-some feet to dig it all out. The soil was loose and the speed the plane was going caused most of it to end up beneath the surface. I was a little confused at first when hearing that 95% of the plane was recovered. It makes sense now to me where most of the debris was. I'd like to find a news report stating it for debate purposes.

 

[eots]

They identified all the passengers through DNA.

There is no point in trying to have a reasonable discussion with EOTS on this issue, he is a flaming troofer. Further all you will get is a large repeated posting of links to people that do not say what he claims they say.

Thanks for the heads up!

for example in RGSs mind these people are not saying what they are saying



Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career.

Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.
Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ... The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001



Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career. Audio interview with Rob Balsamo

6/25/07: Regarding the 9/11 Commission's account of the impact of Flight 77 at the Pentagon and discrepancies with the actual Flight Data Recorder information:

"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. And I think that's where we really need to focus a lot of our attention to get the help that we need in order to put pressure on government agencies to actually do a real investigation of 9/11. And not just from a security standpoint, but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. ...



Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."




Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career.


Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.
The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse." [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,130 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[420ish]

Tell me eots, if no plane crashed in Shanksville, how did this engine get here?

Did they dig up the ground and plant it the night before without being noticed?

 

[eots]

Tell me eots, if no plane crashed in Shanksville, how did this engine get here?

Did they dig up the ground and plant it the night before without being noticed?

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.. my concern is there are some extremely credible and skilled individuals in crash investigation that are not at all satisfied with the evidence presented and the lack of any independent investigation or verifcation of the claimed crash site evidence

 

[Tom Clancy]

Eots Denial Part: 29425.

Congrats!

 

[420ish]

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

 

[DiveCon]

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

you got it from a GOVERNMENT website
it MUST be faked

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

I warned you. He is delusional and paranoid. Facts are unimportant since he just ignores them when it suits him, for example your photo.

For awhile he used to claim a couple guys could have pulled off 9/11 for the Government, until it was painfully pointed out to him the HUNDREDS of witnesses and investigators involved that would have had to be in on the secret.

His latest is to claim that the phone calls were all faked. All the while demanding to know why us Unbelievers would disrespect the couple of crack pot victims families that buy this shit.

He refuses to answer simple questions as well. Go ahead ask him directly if a plane crashed there and he will hem and haw and just keep saying well no one knows for sure.

Ask him if a plane hit the Pentagon and he will do the same.

Ask him if explosives brought down the twin towers and he is off to the hemming and hawing again.

BUT he won't waste a SECOND any time someone does say that a plane hit the pentagon that a missile probably did it, He won't waste a second attacking anyone that posts evidence as in this thread that a plane crashed in Pennsylvania, same with explosives at the Twin Towers.

 

[eots]

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

you got it from a GOVERNMENT website
it MUST be faked

it is a possibility,there are others but the the investigation into the crash was not adequate and fell below standards of other air crash investigations in favour of the lets roll story

 

[DiveCon]

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

you got it from a GOVERNMENT website
it MUST be faked

it is a possibility,there are others but the the investigation into the crash was not adequate and fell below standards of other air crash investigations in favour of the lets roll story

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i told ya

 

[eots]

I don't know the fact is it is a photograph and nothing more.

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

I warned you. He is delusional and paranoid. Facts are unimportant since he just ignores them when it suits him, for example your photo.

For awhile he used to claim a couple guys could have pulled off 9/11 for the Government, until it was painfully pointed out to him the HUNDREDS of witnesses and investigators involved that would have had to be in on the secret.

His latest is to claim that the phone calls were all faked. All the whiledemanding to know why us Unbelievers would disrespect the couple of crack pot victims families that buy this shit.

He refuses to answer simple questions as well. Go ahead ask him directly if a plane crashed there and he will hem and haw and just keep saying well no one knows for sure.

Ask him if a plane hit the Pentagon and he will do the same.

Ask him if explosives brought down the twin towers and he is off to the hemming and hawing again.

BUT he won't waste a SECOND any time someone does say that a plane hit the pentagon that a missile probably did it, He won't waste a second attacking anyone that posts evidence as in this thread that a plane crashed in Pennsylvania, same with explosives at the Twin Towers.

For the recored I am as certain as I can be without a full independent re-investigation the towers And especially wtc 7 where controlled demolitionsand the truth of shakesville and the pentagon has not been accurately told and there was prior knowleadge of the impending attakes and they were allowed to happen

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Are you suggesting it's photoshopped?

I warned you. He is delusional and paranoid. Facts are unimportant since he just ignores them when it suits him, for example your photo.

For awhile he used to claim a couple guys could have pulled off 9/11 for the Government, until it was painfully pointed out to him the HUNDREDS of witnesses and investigators involved that would have had to be in on the secret.

His latest is to claim that the phone calls were all faked. All the whiledemanding to know why us Unbelievers would disrespect the couple of crack pot victims families that buy this shit.

He refuses to answer simple questions as well. Go ahead ask him directly if a plane crashed there and he will hem and haw and just keep saying well no one knows for sure.

Ask him if a plane hit the Pentagon and he will do the same.

Ask him if explosives brought down the twin towers and he is off to the hemming and hawing again.

BUT he won't waste a SECOND any time someone does say that a plane hit the pentagon that a missile probably did it, He won't waste a second attacking anyone that posts evidence as in this thread that a plane crashed in Pennsylvania, same with explosives at the Twin Towers.

For the recored I am as certain as I can be without a full independent re-investigation the towers And especially wtc 7 where controlled demolitionsand the truth of shakesville and the pentagon has not been accurately told and there was prior knowleadge of the impending attakes and they were allowed to happen

You are certifiably INSANE. SEEK help they really can make you better.

There is absolutely NO WAY that explosives were used to bring down the Twin Towers. NONE at all. The physics of the planes hitting prevents any explosives from being anywhere near the floors that were hit. The number of people daily that passed through and worked in and around those two buildings makes the idea that explosives were laced on numerous floors ridiculous and insane. Once again you dumb ass they could not have just used explosives in the basement to get the buildings to collapsed on themselves. It takes months to wire smaller buildings for just that with split second timing and electronically controlled explosives that can accidently be set off by other transmissions. A working building with cell phones, cables, computers WIFI, telephone lines and the Myriad number of electronic producing signatures could not safely be wired at all.

This means that building 7 also was not brought down by explosives unless they were placed that day. And that couldn't have happened because of the fires and condition of the building. NOT to mention all the police and firemen in the area.

And I find it HILARIOUS that because you think the ground work was not as thorough in Pennsylvania that somehow negates the fact the PLANE debris and bodies were there. It goes hand in hand with you taking statements from people that cite some small detail and ask for a reinvestigation and equate them to saying the Government was involved or that planes did not crash where they did or explosives were used.

 

[Terral]

Hi 420:

Isn't it true that almost all of the plane was recovered there?

Flight 93 landed in Cleveland on 9/11 (story) at Hopkins Airport (story). These Jetliners have hundreds of 'time-change parts' and NONE of them were ever recovered (Colonel George Nelson Testimony).

Flight 93 NEVER Crashed In The Empty Field Outside Shanksville (my Topic). Period ...

That is why all the photographs show the same EMPTY HOLE ...

Anyone trying to convince you that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed here is either a Loyal Bushie/Obama DUPE, or a DoD Disinformation Stooge (How To Spot). We know that for A FACT, because the April 20, 1994 U.S. Geological Survey Photographs show the same ...

Click Here

... EMPTY HOLE. This is a picture of the Diamond T. Mine Excavation that was abandoned in 1996 (story).

Some people I know are arguing no plane crashed there because they say there's hardly any debris there but I heard somewhere that most of the plane was recovered.

Just look at how much evidence these liars are missing and compare that to the very small (15 X 20 feet) empty hole. You heard that 100-ton Jetliner parts were recovered from Loyal Bushie/Obama DUPES and DoD Disinformation Idiots sent here to run diversion for Inside-Job Murderers of Innocent Americans destined for the Lake Of Fire with 'all liars' ...

GL,

Terral

 

[Fizz]

terral, you still havent explained what this is inside your EMPTY HOLE

 

[DiveCon]

Tell me eots, if no plane crashed in Shanksville, how did this engine get here?

Did they dig up the ground and plant it the night before without being noticed?

Hi 420:

Isn't it true that almost all of the plane was recovered there?

Flight 93 landed in Cleveland on 9/11 (story) at Hopkins Airport (story). These Jetliners have hundreds of 'time-change parts' and NONE of them were ever recovered (Colonel George Nelson Testimony).

Flight 93 NEVER Crashed In The Empty Field Outside Shanksville (my Topic). Period ...



That is why all the photographs show the same EMPTY HOLE ...



Anyone trying to convince you that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed here is either a Loyal Bushie/Obama DUPE, or a DoD Disinformation Stooge (How To Spot). We know that for A FACT, because the April 20, 1994 U.S. Geological Survey Photographs show the same ...

Click Here

... EMPTY HOLE. This is a picture of the Diamond T. Mine Excavation that was abandoned in 1996 (story).

Some people I know are arguing no plane crashed there because they say there's hardly any debris there but I heard somewhere that most of the plane was recovered.

Just look at how much evidence these liars are missing and compare that to the very small (15 X 20 feet) empty hole. You heard that 100-ton Jetliner parts were recovered from Loyal Bushie/Obama DUPES and DoD Disinformation Idiots sent here to run diversion for Inside-Job Murderers of Innocent Americans destined for the Lake Of Fire with 'all liars' ...

GL,

Terral

hey dipshit, how is that hole "empty" when they dug that out of it?