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    Could anyone tell me which is the best place in the U.S to pursue Nuclear Physics? I want to pursue Nuclear Physics after my High School. I live in Dubai and I am writing my SAT and SAT2 this year. I still have one more year of High school left and I'll send in my applications to mostly all the Ivy League Institutions next December. I checked the university web and couldn't find a clear answer. I want to specialize mainly in fissile materials and missile technology. I know its very tough getting into Harvard and the other Ivy League's but I want to give it a shot. My academics are pretty good. I ain't a staright A student but I mostly get A's , an occasional A+ and B+'s. My essays are quite good(its a criteria I guess.All the top colleges look at your SAT scores, Your POS (purpose of study for intl students) , SAT scores , TOEFL and your extra curriculars. So could anyone tell me if any of the IVy league instittes offer the above mentioned subjects??

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    I have to ask... why the interest in nuclear weaponry and in missile technology?
     
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    I am most familar with California schools, but you will find no better education in Physics and Mathematics anywhere in the world:

    University of California at Berkeley: http://www.physics.berkeley.edu/. George Smoot, the 2006 Noble Prize winner in Physics teaches at Berkeley.

    University of California at Santa Barbara: http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/. Four Physics Nobel Prize winners teach at UCSB.

    California Institute of Technology (Los Angeles): http://www.pma.caltech.edu/GSR/physics.html Home of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the place where all US robotic space missions are controlled (e.g., the two robot vehicles currently operating on the surface of Mars are controlled from CalTech). You can check out the CIT faculty at the following link: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/GSR/facresearch.html. No place knows more about nuclear physics (i.e., particle physics) and missile technology than CalTech. Gaining admission at Caltech is extremely difficult. But check it out.

    Kathianne might be able to tell you about the University of Chicago, another great school for Physics and Mathematics. More than 70 Nobel Prize winners have taught at the University of Chicago: http://physics.uchicago.edu/. The University of Chicago is home to the Enrico Fermi Institute for Particle Physics: http://hamilton.uchicago.edu/. It was at the University of Chicago that the first controlled atomic chain reaction was created in 1942. This led directly to the first atomic bomb detonation near Alamogordo, New Mexico, in July 1945.
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    I was always interested in Physics especially about the Structure of an atom. Plus , nuclear wepaons and missiles tech. excite me. It is very interesting to learn the process of fission , fusion , bomb engineering , enrichment and so on. Plus you get payed well.

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    Thanks a lot One Domino. I'll definitely check out the links. I suppose these aren't Ivy league institutes but IF they are the best institutes in the world offering Nuclear Physics then no harm in trying for an application. The University Of Chicago looks like the best choice.

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    No offense intended, but you must understand that any American that is asked a question like the one you just posed by a foreigner from the Middle East is bound to be suspicious. Especially after 9/11 and especially with the recent events in the news.

    You also realize that the only place to use that type of knowledge is either with the United States military or with the military of a nation or power that is hostile to us.

    I hope that you want to work for the good guys (that means the U.S.A and not Iran or North Korea). So, let's assume you do. You do realize that means renouncing your citizenship of your country, becoming a United States citizen, then applying for a very high level security clearance. A high level security clearance requires a thorough background check and you have to supply a list of every place you've ever lived, polygraph tests, interviews with family and friends. And it probably means a background check of your family, too. I've heard rumors that they ask you extremely personal questions, but I'm not certain how true they are. I'm not making this stuff up.

    Then, you realize that you can't talk about your work to anyone, not even your wife. And travel abroad to see your folks back home will require State Department approval for the rest of your life. It is possible that you won't be able to travel abroad as you please because of what you do.

    Also, you may become the target of hostile foreign intelligence (and that's a good possibility)....


    Because if you know how to make nuclear bombs, you are a high value target for countries and powers that want to get their hands on that technology.

    THAT'S what you want to do with the rest of your life? Have you considered another, related, field?
     
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    Since when does an education in Physics, Mathematics, and Engineering in America require a foreign national to renounce his citizenship? Aki, that is totally wrong. If all a person is looking to do is make bombs or learn about missiles, he can do that on the internet. Aki said he was in high school. He said he was interested in pursuing "nuclear physics." I interpreted his question as asking about an education. But maybe I should have had a paranoid reaction like you. And what did you mean when you judgmentally said, "THAT'S what you want to do with the rest of your life?" Just what exactly is wrong with learning about nuclear weapons and missile technology? Do you think that at this stage in the game that America or India needs no weapons or missile experts? Are you aware that the US and India just signed a historic nuclear technology deal: http://hir.harvard.edu/articles/1363/, and http://www.cfr.org/publication/9663/usindia_nuclear_deal.html. Why shouldn't a son of India be interested in nuclear technology?
     
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    Aki, Ivy league schools are not especially well known for their Physics programs; except for one: Princeton University: http://physics.princeton.edu/. Here's a link that describes current particle physics research at Princeton: http://physics.princeton.edu/www/jh/research/atomic.html. And you do not need to renounce your citizenship to gain admission.
     
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    Dubai is in the Middle East, it's not in India.

    He said that he was interested in studying fissile material and missile technology. There is only one purpose for that combination of technology, and that is a military one. He did say

    "It is very interesting to learn the process of fission , fusion , bomb engineering , enrichment and so on. "

    I didn't mean that if he studied nuclear physics he would be required to do all the things I described. However, he would be required to do all those things if he decided to pursue a career designing nuclear weapons.

    I suppose I'm being paranoid when I question why a person who is from a Middle Eastern country asks about learning about fissile material and missile technology and claims he's a high school student? I'm supposed to believe him? For all I know, he could be someone posing as a student.

    We did have 9/11 remember? Do you remember those fellows learned how to fly planes here in America were also from the Mid East? You have been listening to the news, lately, right?

    I don't think it's paranoid to exercise caution on the Internet.

    When I asked "THAT'S what you want to do with the rest of you life?" I meant that he would have to put up with the hassles of having the State Department giving him permission each time he wanted to travel abroad, he would not be able to tell anyone about his work, he would have his personal life poked and prodded at by the DoD and DISA.. THAT'S what I meant. I wasn't passing judgement, I was asking him if he realized what a hassle it was to be in that line of work and how it affected other parts of his life.

    Having a security clearance, especially a top secret one (and a very high level of top secret at that) is no picnic.
     
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