Q: What Are We Doing in Afghanistan? A: "We're still figuring that out."

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    I hope not all of this is old news. Some of the phrases in this article caught my eye:

    We're still figuring out our goals in Afghanistan. That's a good thing. - By Fred Kaplan - Slate Magazine


    "How did they come up with this number? This is where the cause for worry begins. It didn't come from any assessment of how many troops are needed for a particular mission. No decisions about a specific mission—an operational goal—have yet been made.

    The request for three brigades stems from one fact and one fact only: That's how many brigades will be available this year, as more troops pull out of Iraq.

    It's a number based on what we have, not on what we need. It has no substantive rationale."





    " When asked what missions the three extra brigades will perform, one Pentagon official said, "All of the missions." Some troops will chase terrorists, some will protect the population, some will train the Afghan army. … But three extra brigades—which, again, is all we can muster in the next year—aren't enough to do all that. (Some officials say that the NATO allies have agreed to up their efforts a bit, now that the popular Obama has replaced the much-loathed Bush, but they're unlikely to muster more than a few thousand troops—perhaps a brigade's worth. The allies could help more in other ways, for instance, in special forces, government administration, and training police. Bush never made such requests; perhaps Obama will.) "



    " Then there's the ultimate consideration: Even if everything goes splendidly in Afghanistan, it will count for naught unless the Taliban and al-Qaida are neutralized in neighboring Pakistan—a turbulent state that has nuclear weapons. There isn't much the United States can do about that problem militarily; it's a diplomatic puzzle to be worked out with other powers in the region. Gen. Petraeus will have a role to play in this; so, even more, will special envoy Richard Holbrooke. The issue of how many troops should do what in Afghanistan will be, by comparison, a sideshow—albeit an expensive, and perhaps a necessary, one. "


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    Not sure why anyone went there... it wasn't to get OBL, it certainly wasn't to help people, and it ain't because all our governments just love liberation so damn much either...

    ...perhaps there's a money trail to follow? Perhaps not.
     
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    Oil pipeline that is being build through Afghanistan and into Uzbekistan.
     
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    On the Offensive
    AS U.S. MARINES launched a major offensive in Afghanistan's Taliban-infested Helmand province yesterday, one problem was already apparent: There are not enough troops to properly carry out the Pentagon's new counterinsurgency strategy. The force is "a little light," Marine Brig. Gen. Lawrence D....
    (The Washington Post)
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    Sound familiar?? As I recall, there were some who tried to tell Obama that Afghanistan would be his Viet Nam if he were foolish enough to believe he had "the right stuff" for this job. This is going to make Iraq look like a birthday party.
     
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    I'm not so sure. I read an article that said Pakistan is moving troops to its border to block Taliban the marines are chasing out of Afghanistan from regrouping in Pakistan. If this effectively limits resupply and reinforcement for the Taliban, the marines may be able to hold on to the ground they take even with this small force. If they can show the Afghans in the towns they are taking that they are there to stay, it might spark another "Sunni Awakening" in Afghanistan as it did in Iraq.
     
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    The Afghans have been fighting invaders for centuries.

    They have never lost in the long run.

    The U.S. will fail just like every other invader has failed throughout history.
     
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    Sunni Man, please get your facts right. The Afghan government, the Afghan National Army and the Afghan Security Forces are fighting WITH US and NATO forces...not against them.

    Makes your post null and void.
     
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    When the British Empire was in Afghanistan. They also set up a puppet Afghan government and army.

    What happened?

    Disaster!!

    The Soviet Union also set up a puppet government and and Afghan army that fought along side them.

    Results?

    Another disaster.

    The U.S. and members have now set up a puppet Afghan government and Army.

    Afghan history says this will just be a long and costly failure.
     
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    kinda like you, huh?
     

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