Puppet Firefighter loses bid to sue over NYC mosque

[manifold]

The judge rejected the firefighter's claim that he would be unable to properly commemorate September 11 with the mosque nearby.

Firefighter loses bid to sue over New York mosque - Yahoo! News

 

[jillian]

it was a dumbass legal claim. deserved to be tossed.

 

[Truthseeker420]

why do you say puppet firefighter?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If he were suing to halt building a church the whackaloons would be hailing their "fearless and brave Union comrade."

 

[Truthseeker420]

If he were suing to halt building a church the whackaloons would be hailing their "fearless and brave Union comrade."

do you have an example?

 

[bodecea]

If he were suing to halt building a church the whackaloons would be hailing their "fearless and brave Union comrade."

Nope...he has no right to do that too, if that is private property.

 

[waltky]

'Ground Zero Mosque' Opens...

NYC Islamic center opens community space
September 19, 2011 — The organizers of an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero are opening a temporary space at the site.

The newly remodeled community space on the ground floor of the building owned by Park51 is scheduled for a grand opening on Wednesday. A photo exhibition will be the first public program.

The rest of the Park Place building has yet to be renovated. The developer has said it will be years before the project, envisioned with a mosque, health club and theater, is fully realized.

The photographs, by artist Danny Goldfield, are of children from around the world now living in New York. Park51 Chief of Staff Katerina Lucas says the exhibit will hopefully show those opposed to the Islamic center what kind of space it's meant to be.

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[ladyliberal]

This was an obviously correct legal ruling. The lawsuit has little chance of appeal.

The characterization of the firefighter as a "Puppet" seems to be in reference to the fact that Pat Robertson's ACLJ is handling the legal motions, suggesting that there are interests at work other than those of the firefighter.

 

[bucs90]

If he were suing to halt building a church the whackaloons would be hailing their "fearless and brave Union comrade."

Nope...he has no right to do that too, if that is private property.

How would your beloved Navy had felt if Japanese nationals had built a shrine to the emperor of Japan.....in 1951.....1/2 a mile from Pearl Harbor?

Oh, I'm sure you'd say the Navy would have no right to try to stop that either, right?

 

[ogibillm]

If he were suing to halt building a church the whackaloons would be hailing their "fearless and brave Union comrade."

Nope...he has no right to do that too, if that is private property.

How would your beloved Navy had felt if Japanese nationals had built a shrine to the emperor of Japan.....in 1951.....1/2 a mile from Pearl Harbor?

Oh, I'm sure you'd say the Navy would have no right to try to stop that either, right?

what part of private property do you have a problem with?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A judge dismissed a firefighter's lawsuit over New York City's decision to allow an Islamic cultural center and mosque to be built near the site of the September 11 attacks, a ruling his lawyer said on Monday would be appealed.

Actually the First Amendment authorizes the mosque to be built, the city of New York has no say one way or the other.

"This decision fails to give appropriate consideration to first responders and others who risked their lives and lost loved ones on September 11th," Joshpe said. "If Mr. Brown does not have standing, then who does?"

Which has noting to do whatsoever with Muslims’ right to worship freely.

How would your beloved Navy had felt if Japanese nationals had built a shrine to the emperor of Japan.....in 1951.....1/2 a mile from Pearl Harbor?

Oh, I'm sure you'd say the Navy would have no right to try to stop that either, right?

Islam had nothing to do with 9/11; the attack was carried out by criminals – their faith incidental and irrelevant.

 

[waltky]

Nobody Protests 'Ground Zero Mosque' Opening...

Number Protesting 'Ground Zero Mosque' Opening: Zero
Sep 22, 2011 - Well, that was anticlimactic

The definition of anticlimactic: Following almost two years of clashes between those who planned the so-called “Ground Zero mosque” and those who protested it, the Park51 Islamic cultural center opened its first exhibition in New York yesterday without incident. Spectators, not protesters, viewed an exhibit featuring photos of New York City children representing 160 ethnicities taken by a Jewish photographer, the New York Daily News reports.

The developer, however, admitted to the AP that “we made incredible mistakes. … The biggest mistake we made was not to include 9/11 families” from the very beginning. Instead, they were consulted only after the center became hugely controversial. Now, at least one 9/11 family member is on the advisory board, and the center will have a 9/11 memorial. “We’re very committed to having them involved in our project,” he says. “We're really listening."

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Islamic Center Opens Its Doors Near Ground Zero
September 22, 2011 — An Islamic cultural center near the site of the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center held its first exhibit Wednesday evening, the enthusiasm at the opening belying its troubled beginnings.

As a small orchestra played traditional Middle Eastern instruments, people crowded into the center, where a photo exhibit of New York children of different ethnicities lined the walls. Sharif El-Gamal, the center's developer, said the biggest error on the project was not involving the families of 9/11 victims from the start. "We made incredible mistakes," El-Gamal told The Associated Press in an earlier interview at his Manhattan office. The building at 51 Park Place, two blocks from the World Trade Center site, includes a Muslim prayer space that has been open for two years. El-Gamal said the overall center is modeled after the Jewish Community Center on Manhattan's Upper West Side, where he lives. "I wanted my daughter to learn how to swim, so I took her to the JCC," said the Brooklyn-born Muslim. "And when I walked in, I said, 'Wow. This is great.'"

The project has drawn criticism from opponents who say they don't want a mosque near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The center is open to all faiths and will include a 9/11 memorial, El-Gamal said. He called opposition to the center — which prompted one of the most virulent national discussions about Islam and freedom of speech and religion since Sept. 11 — part of a "campaign against Muslims." Last year, street clashes in view of the trade center site pitted supporters against opponents of the center. When the center was first envisioned several years ago, activist Daisy Khan and her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, played a major, vocal role. But they soon left the project because of differences with the developer. El-Gamal, 38, confirmed Wednesday that they parted ways because "we had a different vision." He declined to elaborate.

The couple said they had discussed plans for Park51, as the center is known, with relatives of 9/11 victims, first responders and others, including the possibility that it could become a multifaith center focusing on religious conflict. But El-Gamal wishes victims' families had been involved earlier — before the center became a point of contention. "The biggest mistake we made was not to include 9/11 families," El-Gamal said, noting that the center's advisory board now includes at least one 9/11 family member. At first, "we didn't understand that we had a responsibility to discuss our private project with family members that lost loved ones," he said, and they did not "really connect" with community leaders and activists. But today, "we're very committed to having them involved in our project. ... We're really listening," he said. Pointing to the inclusivity of a center that critics feared would be polarizing, El-Gamal noted that the featured photographer in the "NYChildren" exhibit is Danny Goldfield, who is Jewish.

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