Public Employee Unions

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    are like Communism: Great in theory but terrible in practice. They now represent a new aristocracy which holds a knife to the throat of our democracy. If we don't give them what they demand, we will be punished...
     
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    Many a police officer wrongly accused of misconduct have been saved thanks to the representation of their public employee union, government workers are not slaves they have the right to union representation just like any other working person.
     
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    They have the right to find other work or be public servants. They dont have the right to hold taxpayers hostage for services if more money isn't given. That's extortion and thats the real problem.

    And just as many guilty officers are protected from prosecution or even a loss of work for misconduct due to public union "respresentation".

    Private sector unions are fine by me, public sector unions should be outlawed completely.
     
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    Union's job is to defend it's membership, just as a lawyer may have a guilty client and defend that client so must a union, and public employees have the same rights as any other employee and I still dont understand why the right wing targets working folks while giving big money interests a pass.
     
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    When defending its membership involves backroom deals with politicans to garner votes in exchange for sweetheart benefits deals that wont come to the cash register in 20 years, then we have a serious problem.

    When a union and a private company negotiate, the union realizes it can only go so far, or it will put the company out of business. Public Unions know no such thing, as they see the taxpayer as an unlimted piggy bank, and the politicans they help get into office go right along with it.
     
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    Public employees, outside upper management, make similar wages and benefits to other good working class jobs, I do not envy or have a problem with the wages and benefits these workers make thanks to union negotiations.
     
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    As a taxpayer, I do. Stealing money from me to give these folks who are economically non-productive more and more money each year is extortion. you may be fine with that, but im not and neither is a large portion of taxpayers.
     
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    It's public service, it's not suppose to pay as if the government is making record profit every year. Thats the entire difference. What the government has to give to these employees through negotiation is only as big as the supply of revenue stolen from private sector workers. The government has nothign of its own, it must confiscate its revenue through force.

    "One of those good government jobs" is an awful saying in this country. If people want to serve in government, they should eb satisfied with small salaries and be doing it "for the greater good" as they tell taxpayers that is why we must pay. Not that these are some of the best jjobs you can get in the country. Public unions are a moral hazard, are economically non-productive and should be completely outlawed.
     
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    So law enforcement should be a voluntary position? As a tax payer I want the people working for me to make a decent living.
     
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    Where did i indicate it should be voluntary?

    And as a taxpayer, im not ok with it. So you see this is where the problem occurs. I shouldn't be held responsible to give increases to govt. workers while Im battling inflation caused by the govt adn a host of waste that comes with bureaucracy. You're not making a valid case for public unoins by simply saying you want them to have more money. in that case, fork it over and stop electing me to also fork it over. Go ahead and write a big fat check from your own account and send it in. I'll keep my money thanks.
     
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