Prove Ron Paul is Not A Conservative

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  1. Paulie
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    Many of you claim it, but none have backed it up with anything.

    Not conservative as in what the pundits present to us as conservative or liberal, but conservative in the traditional sense.

    Whatcha got?
     
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    http://www.lyricsdownload.com/paris-sheep-to-the-slaughter-lyrics.html

    Easily I approach, the microphone, in this land of jokes

    Can't leave it alone, cause ya know, I could see right though

    Corrupt plans and these bullshit scams and untruths

    We livin' in a maze, different days and times

    The world is a stage, most truth is a lie

    In this propaganda matrix, the sheep just die

    For these murderous conservatives with corporate ties

    Deny knowledge of the truth, ignorin' the poor

    They just human ammunition for these capital wars

    Just human ammunition and collateral d

    That's why millions of us holla risin' up in the streets

    And when ya see me understand I'm representin' a voice

    The majority would feel if ever given a choice

    I don't need this seedy media they only annoy

    Cause the only ones that wanna scrap ain't never deployed

    Who do the fightin' for these rich white folks, and they wars

    No it ain't Drew Carey, Dennis Miller or stars

    Fox News, Mike Savage, Bruce Willis or Rush

    Won't be MSNBC, CNN or a Bush

    Never Toby Keith, Hannity, O'Reilly or Clint

    Ain't ClearChannel - know they ain't supportin' dissent

    Ain't Blair, Kid Rock, or Tom Cruise or vows

    Of James Woods, Rob Lowe, Tom Selleck or Powell

    Not Arnold Schwarzenegger, he ain't gonna shoot, or

    Ted Nuget cause in war the targets got weapons too

    Ain't Cheney, Rumsfeld, Halliburton or Ridge

    Or Ann Coulter, or Joseph Lieberman or the rich

    Or any bitch up in congress, they just make laws

    When it comes to fightin' - we the ones that end up in gauze

    So when you say "support that murderer," I have no applause

    Even if he got his jumpsuit on - we pay the cost
     
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    Actually you claim he is, you prove it. Little hard to prove a negative ehh?
     
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    Dude, I've proven it throughout the time I've been a member here. Check his record.

    I'm just tired of seeing people say he's not, especially the resident "conservatives" who are supporting guys like McCain or Romney.

    It's not proving a negative, either. All I'm asking is provide some kind of documentation about the guy that shows him not to be conservative. Shouldn't be too hard for people who make the claim he's not conservative...afterall, they must have gotten that idea from SOMEWHERE...
     
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    I'm liking RP more and more with McCain's ascent, he's definitely the most Conservative of the Republican candidates, but he's not exactly the "Mr. Principle" he's been made out to be by his supporters:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292334,00.html

    Earmarks for shrimp fishing. Sounds like something Pelosi would come up with.
     
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    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/ron_paul_loves_earmarks/

    You know, one purpose of a congressional district representative is to get local money for their district.

    I like Paul's reason for the earmarks. It's better than the dance-around that most other politicians would give. That's REAL straight-talk, in my book.

    Where the conflict of interst may lie, is if he's got personal connections to any of the people he's gotten earmarks for. I haven't seen that.
     
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    Ron Paul is very conservative. He supports small, limited government as described in the Constitution.

    He's a little naive on how we get there from here, though. He points out that things like Federal control of retirement plans, medical insurance, etc., are unconstitutional (which is true), and so says we must privatize or abolish them immediately (which is terribly destructive).

    And in areas that aren't conservative or liberal,such as foreign policy, he's basically suicidal. Since there has ben no declaration of war by the Congress (as required by the Constitution), we must pull out of Iraq, Korea, Gernamy, Japan, and other such places, immediately. And toss in Israel for good measure. Never mind the bloodbaths that will quickly ensue as people who depended on us get annihilated by the enemies we were helping to keep at bay... or the next target those enemies would then pick (us).

    Paul is definitely conservative, in areas that can be defined as liberal/conservative. And that's very good. But in other areas, he's nuts. Electing him President would be a disaster.
     
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    it is a disaster already ..Paul and what he represents is the only hope
     
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    I disagree with Paul on the Declaration of War thing.

    My disagreement is basically that the constitution is silent on the process to declare war.

    Since the constitution is silent, we have to move to the rules of the house and senate. I've looked. The rules are silent. Thus we have to look at legislation.

    A "Declaration of War" is fundamentally the same as "Authorisation to use military force" when you get right down to it. A "Declaration" is a statement, "Of war" implies that we are allowed to make war in an offensive manner (which is the use of military force). So, what is the difference? The only argument I see is that the title wording is different. I personally don't think it matters, but your opinion may vary.

    But I do like his attempt to use Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Put a bounty of one billion in gold on Bin Ladin alive, or a million for a dna verified dead body. The Pakistani tourist industry could use the boost.

    May I suggest a better challenge (not directed at you LA): Prove your boy is more conservative or constitutional than RP.
     
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    It can't be done. On this board the main oppossers of Paul have been from the left. And of course they (*cough* JILLIAN *cough* *cough*) have yet to offer anything legitmate in terms of why Ron Paul would be such a bad president.

    I said before so many on these boards and in the general public claim they want a real change in our government and leadership. For the best shot at that your choice has to be Ron Paul. Of course the dem candidates are advocating change, but are higher taxes, even bigger government, universal health care really what you want?

    RP is as conservative as any to come down the pike. I'm pretty much sold on him, but skeptics please view this as an opportunity to provide some evidence as to why I shouldn't be. Until then I'm changeing my sig.

    P.S. Jillian, my name isn't Denny, it's a quote from a TV show. Thought I'd save you from looking too stupid when you're trying to be condescending.
     

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