Proposed Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009

[GHook93]

This is a long long long long overdue act and it needs to get passed. Too bad Congressman Deal waited until the Democrats took Congress to introduice it. Basically it ends the bastardized interpretation of the 14th amendment that allows citizenship to the children of illegal aliens and creating the quote/unquote anchor babies! Citizenship given to non-Americans should be privilege not a right! I like this law!

Rep. Nathan Deal Reintroduces Bill to End Birthright Citizenship | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) reintroduced his Birthright Citizenship bill that would eliminate automatic citizenship for children born in the United States. The Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 (H.R.1868) would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to make it more difficult for children born in the U.S. to gain citizenship.

Under the proposed legislation, a person born in the United States, in order to gain citizenship, must have at least one parent who is:

(1) a U.S. citizen or national;
(2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States; or
(3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces

 

[auditor0007]

We probably should have done this a long time ago. The question now is whether or not this will actually become law. I imagine there will be some haggling and changes made if it is to become law. For one, I think if you are born in the US, you should have an opportunity to become a citizen. However, I think that it should be in the form of dual citizenship and only when you come of age (an adult). It will be interesting to see where this goes.

 

[RodISHI]

It needs to be done.

 

[KittenKoder]

This is a long long long long overdue act and it needs to get passed. Too bad Congressman Deal waited until the Democrats took Congress to introduice it. Basically it ends the bastardized interpretation of the 14th amendment that allows citizenship to the children of illegal aliens and creating the quote/unquote anchor babies! Citizenship given to non-Americans should be privilege not a right! I like this law!

Rep. Nathan Deal Reintroduces Bill to End Birthright Citizenship | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) reintroduced his Birthright Citizenship bill that would eliminate automatic citizenship for children born in the United States. The Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 (H.R.1868) would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to make it more difficult for children born in the U.S. to gain citizenship.

Under the proposed legislation, a person born in the United States, in order to gain citizenship, must have at least one parent who is:

(1) a U.S. citizen or national;
(2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States; or
(3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces

Good law. The only reason it didn't happen earlier is because there were Reps AND Dems in charge for too long, and all they both did was butt heads, not really caring about good policy but caring more about who voted for what.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think it's a good idea. Also, if the baby is born in a US hospital, and it's parents are illegal aliens, I think when the baby is discharged from the hospital we should give all three of them a free ride back to the boarder and promptly expelled.

 

[xotoxi]

Good idea.

 

[Walt]

This is insane. We are looking at a bill. To ban something, that is not legal in the first place. They have the American people chasing their proverbial tails.

 

[tigerbob]

This is insane. We are looking at a bill. To ban something, that is not legal in the first place. They have the American people chasing their proverbial tails.

Such is the legal process. Close the 'loophole', let's move on.

 

[GHook93]

This is insane. We are looking at a bill. To ban something, that is not legal in the first place. They have the American people chasing their proverbial tails.

NOT TRUE! Read the 14th Amendment and then come back to us!

 

[Walt]

This is insane. We are looking at a bill. To ban something, that is not legal in the first place. They have the American people chasing their proverbial tails.

NOT TRUE! Read the 14th Amendment and then come back to us!

IS TRUE! I posted this before so here it is again.

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is another term).

The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965.

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court correctly confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called 'Slaughter-House cases' [83 US 36 (1873)] and in [112 US 94 (1884)]. In Elk v.Wilkins, the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' excluded from its operation 'children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.' In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be 'not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.'

Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.

American citizens must be wary of elected politicians voting to illegally extend our generous social benefits to illegal aliens and other criminals.
Anchor babies - children born in the United States to illegal alien mothers - THE AMERICAN RESISTANCE FOUNDATION

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

Here is an opinoin from a judge.


Quote:
The question before us has been examined by a writer upon constitutional law whose views are entitled to great respect. Judge COOLEY, referring to the definition of national citizenship as contained in the fourteenth amendment, says: 'By the express terms of the amendment, persons of foreign birth, who have never renounced the allegiance to which they were born, though they may have a residence in this country, more or less permanent, for business, instruction, or pleasure, are not citizens

 

[Againsheila]

This is insane. We are looking at a bill. To ban something, that is not legal in the first place. They have the American people chasing their proverbial tails.

NOT TRUE! Read the 14th Amendment and then come back to us!

I read it...it specifically denies citizenship to children born to LEGAL DIPLOMATS, how on earth could anyone interpret it to provide citizenship to children born to ILLEGAL ALIENS?????

They are not "under the jurisdiction" of our country and therefore are not citizens.

 

[Soaring]

What don't you guys understand about being born in the United makes you an American citizen? Seems pretty clear and simple to me.

 

[Againsheila]

What don't you guys understand about being born in the United makes you an American citizen? Seems pretty clear and simple to me.

Maybe to the simple minded....try reading the amendment to the Constitution. It grants citizenship only to those born in the USA and under the jurisdiction thereof....illegals are not under our jurisdiction, they are under the radar and hence their children are not us citizens.

How can anyone interpret an amendment which specifically denies citizenship to children born to LEGAL DIPLOMATS as granting citizenship to children born to ILLEGAL ALIENS is incomprehensible to me.

 

[LaLinda75]

Pass the bill. It's long overdue. At least half of the problems due to the illegals would be solved if this bill is passed. Citizenship should ONLY be given to those who are born to people who followed the rules and/or laws of the USA and are here LEGALLY! THOSE WHO ARE BORN HERE TO ILLEGAL PARENTS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN THAT PRIVILEGE - PERIOD!

 

[rhodescholar]

Of course this bill is long overdue, the real question is can it be made retroactive, so that those believing themselves US citizens through the use of an anchor baby and chain-migration can lose their citizenship, and be deported?

The other issue is since illegals manage to still collect welfare and other various social benefits, how do we stop that from happening?

 

[JBeukema]

JB fully supports the goal of the proposed legislation, based on the information provided

 

[LaLinda75]

'Of course this bill is long overdue, the real question is can it be made retroactive, so that those believing themselves US citizens through the use of an anchor baby and chain-migration can lose their citizenship, and be deported? The other issue is since illegals manage to still collect welfare and other various social benefits, how do we stop that from happening? '

No, it should not be retroactive. Those born here BEFORE this amendment is clarified, should still be considered citizens - but anybody who is born AFTER it's clarified, should NOT. Those who came via chain migration and became naturalized citizens, should not lose their citizenship. Those who came here legally but have not becomes citizens, should be given the chance. We can't stop giving benefits to those whose children were born here due to the fact that they were born here under the not yet clarified 14th amendment and receive these benefits in the name of their USA born children. See all of the problems that could/would be solved once the 14th Amendment is clarified and the anchor baby madness is stopped?

 

[rhodescholar]

'No, it should not be retroactive. Those born here BEFORE this amendment is clarified, should still be considered citizens - but anybody who is born AFTER it's clarified, should NOT. Those who came via chain migration and became naturalized citizens, should not lose their citizenship. Those who came here legally but have not becomes citizens, should be given the chance. We can't stop giving benefits to those whose children were born here due to the fact that they were born here under the not yet clarified 14th amendment and receive these benefits in the name of their USA born children. See all of the problems that could/would be solved once the 14th Amendment is clarified and the anchor baby madness is stopped?

Welllllll....in 1972 the US population was 200 million; in only one generation it has increased by 50% to 300 million, a trend which is totally, fundamentally, unsustainable. Even if we were to stop all illegal and legal immigration today, we may have so badly damaged the fabric of our society so badly, we may never be able to recover. Unlike many of the animalistic La Raza filth and their allies, I do not wish to turn the US into another Latin American shithole. People come here, and want to come here, because the US IS a better country, but it cannot function if it is massively overcrowded, with massive payments made via welfare to massive amounts of poor - go see how California is doing, with an out of control welfare system, closing hospitals because there are so many illegals there using its services yet not paying for them, etc.

I disagree, I do not think that previous offenders who were able to take advantage of a loophole or oversight by the Constitution should be rewarded.

 

[Agnapostate]

Appeasement of crude nativist sentiments is pointless, since the issue of the U.S.'s maintenance of a low-skilled equilibrium is a far more pertinent issue that the elites hope to distract from with the establishment of illegal immigration as an effective red herring. Clearly, they've succeeded to an unhealthy extent.

 

[Againsheila]

'Of course this bill is long overdue, the real question is can it be made retroactive, so that those believing themselves US citizens through the use of an anchor baby and chain-migration can lose their citizenship, and be deported? The other issue is since illegals manage to still collect welfare and other various social benefits, how do we stop that from happening? '

No, it should not be retroactive. Those born here BEFORE this amendment is clarified, should still be considered citizens - but anybody who is born AFTER it's clarified, should NOT. Those who came via chain migration and became naturalized citizens, should not lose their citizenship. Those who came here legally but have not becomes citizens, should be given the chance. We can't stop giving benefits to those whose children were born here due to the fact that they were born here under the not yet clarified 14th amendment and receive these benefits in the name of their USA born children. See all of the problems that could/would be solved once the 14th Amendment is clarified and the anchor baby madness is stopped?

Actually, I disagree...the 14th amendment is already clear and doesn't grant them citizenship. I don't understand those who claim it did. Again, how can an amendment which specifically denies citizenship to children born to LEGAL diplomats ever be interpreted as providing citizenship to children born to ILLEGAL ALIENS????