Proof of the Conspiracy

[oldsoul]

I know you want out of this discussion because you are not capable of dealing with hard cold reality

You bought up cold hard reality so... The cold hard reality is that you are saying we should have joined the Germans after they sank the defensless Lusitania, a passenger ship. You really need to come out of the conspiracy theory room more often, and maybe pick up a book on history. It would be eye opening, I fear...

 

[citizenal]

Dear oldsoul:

I took your advise and picked up a history book and here is what I found:

The British Admiralty financed the construction of the HMS Lusitania and as a result, the ship was fitted with twelve 6 inch guns. Also, in times of war, the ship would serve as an armed auxiliary cruiser under the command of the British Admiralty (Navy). “Cruiser Rules”, subscribed to at the time by maritime nations, specified that unarmed merchant vessels would be warned before being sunk; thus allowing the crew time to abandon ship. Because the Lusitania was an armed vessel, these Cruiser Rules did not apply and legally, she sailed under the rules of war.

On her ill-fated return voyage to England, the Lusitania’s cargo was primarily contraband; 1,639 ingot bars of copper, 1,248 cases of three-inch shells, 76 cases of brass rods and 4,927 boxes of cartridges each containing 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The weight of all these high explosives was 10 ½ tons. It was common knowledge that carrying such cargo was a routine undertaking for the Lusitania. Because of the increasingly volatile situation, George Vierick, a representative of the New York German community, attempted to place ads in 50 American newspapers, warning Americans about the risk of embarking on a transatlantic voyage to England. In response, the State Department advised the newspapers that it would be highly dangerous to run the ad, so none did. Eventually, Mr. Vierick convinced the editor of the New York Tribune to run his ad which the Tribune did on the morning the Lusitania sailed. Apparently, no American sailing on the Lusitania elected to change their plans at this late point in time.

The Lusitania set sail on its final voyage shortly before noon on May 1, 1915. Her master, Captain William Turner was under orders to steer the same course used on previous journeys. This known course would take the Lusitania south of Ireland where she would be met by the British Cruiser Juno. The Juno was under orders to escort the Lusitania for the rest of her journey. At this point in time, the U-20 was patrolling the waters south of Ireland where the Lusitania was heading. By monitoring transmissions, the British Admiralty was able to pinpoint the locations of the Juno, Lusitania and the U-20. By plotting these positions, it was apparent that if the U-20 stayed where she was; the Lusitania would run into her the next morning. However, the U-20 was not content to just sit and wait for the Lusitania. The afternoon before their meeting, the U-20 sank both the HMS Candidate and HMS Centurian. There was no response from the British to these two tragic losses.

Normally, destroyer escorts are dispatched by the British Admiralty to the seas south of Ireland at the first hint of a U-Boat’s presence. Not this time! In light of this enemy action, Admiral Coke, of the British Admiralty, wanted to send a message to the Lusitania to warn them of the looming danger. He was ordered not to. Having a conscience, Admiral Coke disobeyed orders and sent his message anyway, which was picked up by the Lusitania. However, Captain Turner decided not to heed the warning because he felt his scheduled rendezvous with the Cruiser Juno would be sufficient protection for his ship. Furthermore, he was sailing under Admiralty authority and could not change course without getting permission. Meanwhile, back at Admiralty headquarters, Admiral Oliver advised Winston Churchill that the Juno was unsuited for protecting the Lusitania and was also at risk of being sunk. This being the case, he recommended that elements of a nearby destroyer flotilla be dispatched to protect the Lusitania. What happened next is told by Colin Simpson, author of the book "Lusitania":

“At this juncture the Admiralty War Diary stops short, perhaps understandably as it was here that the decision was taken that was to be the direct cause of the disaster. No one alive today knows who took it, but shortly after noon on May 5 the Admiralty signaled Juno to abandon her mission and return to Queenstown. They did not dispatch any destroyers and the Lusitania was not informed that she was now alone, and closing every minute with the U-20.”

Is this enough of a history lesson for you? If not, you may wish to read Colin Simpson's book:

"Lusitania": Colin Simpson: 9780582127074: Amazon.com: Books

 

[oldsoul]

Sure it is. Doesn't change the Fact that you are suggesting the US should have gone to war With a country that sank an Allies' ship. Maybe we should back up a bit. Explain why, exactly the US should have joined the Germans and their allies. Then, maybe, we can have a discussion on the topic. Please refrain from brining up any conspiracies, ect. I would much prefer that we have this discussion based on accual, verifiable FACT.

 

[oldsoul]

“At this juncture the Admiralty War Diary stops short, perhaps understandably as it was here that the decision was taken that was to be the direct cause of the disaster. No one alive today knows who took it, but shortly after noon on May 5 the Admiralty signaled Juno to abandon her mission and return to Queenstown. They did not dispatch any destroyers and the Lusitania was not informed that she was now alone, and closing every minute with the U-20.”

Is this verifiable by independant sources? Not attacking your credibility here, but Mr. Simpson's.

 

[citizenal]

Sure it is. Doesn't change the Fact that you are suggesting the US should have gone to war With a country that sank an Allies' ship. Maybe we should back up a bit. Explain why, exactly the US should have joined the Germans and their allies. Then, maybe, we can have a discussion on the topic. Please refrain from brining up any conspiracies, ect. I would much prefer that we have this discussion based on accual, verifiable FACT.

First of all, at the time the Lusitania was sunk, England was not our ally. We were a neutral nation with no Allies. WWI raged in Europe for two years and while the war was stalemated on the ground, Germany was bringing England to its news through submarine warfare. Being the sophisticated and avant garde nation it was at the time, at the end of 1916, Germany graciously offered the warring nations peace with honor. England was ready to accept this offer, but changed its mind when the Zionists offered the British a deal; if England agreed to help establish a homeland for the Jews in Palestine after the war, the Zionists would bring the United States into the war on the side of the Allies. England agreed and the rest is history. My point is this, if America had chosen to stay out of the war, England would have agreed with Germany's proposal and the war would have ended early in 1917. Furthermore, if America instead of siding with pro war England had sided with pro-peace Germany, the war would have ended even more sooner saving many lives including the lives of every single American killed in WWI.

If you do not believe me on this topic, perhaps you will believe Benjamin Freedman.

Israel | A Jewish Defector Warns America: Benjamin Freedman speaks

 

[citizenal]

“At this juncture the Admiralty War Diary stops short, perhaps understandably as it was here that the decision was taken that was to be the direct cause of the disaster. No one alive today knows who took it, but shortly after noon on May 5 the Admiralty signaled Juno to abandon her mission and return to Queenstown. They did not dispatch any destroyers and the Lusitania was not informed that she was now alone, and closing every minute with the U-20.”

Is this verifiable by independant sources? Not attacking your credibility here, but Mr. Simpson's.

Colin Simpson was a respected English Journalist who researched this matter and wrote a book about it called the "Lusitania". This book was a the cover featured article in the October 13th 1972 edition of LIFE magazine, a copy of which I have in my possession. I trust that if Mr. Simpson was a questionable source, him and his book would not have received the attention it did by LIFE magazine. The ultimate source of the quote is the British Admiralty logbooks of which I am certain were available to Mr. Simpson. The simple truth of the matter is that our government, subservient to Zionist influence conspired with the British government to have as many Americans as possible sail on the Lusitania, and then the British took the necessary steps to ensure that the Lusitania was sunk by the U-20, a German submarine. This was done to enrage Americans so when a declaration of war on Germany was finally issued by the United States, most Americans would be solidly behind it. Just think how different the world would be today if WWI ended honorably in 1916. In all likelihood WWII would never have happened.