Proof just how out of touch Obama is and why he must go in 2012

[Politician]

Yes, I believe a presidents agenda and policies have a very direct impact on our economy.

As far as your assertion that companies won't come back I have a thought. If your right we have NOTHING to lose by offering the carrot to begin with. Only gains could be made. So why not try? Remember the Wright brothers?

So then you agree that Bushes policies help led to the 08 crash correct?
You agree that Clinton's policies helped us to a decent economy?

more so since obama is a failure and hasnt done anything or passed anything ( i read that here) how can his "policies" have any affect on our economy.
or
Do you think it goes more like this. The President has SOME impact on the economy,but doesnt have direct control over it.

Then you have to ask where does congress play into this? How much of the blame do they get, or does the President get all of it?

Why do these people deserve tax free anything? You want to sell your shit here? Taxed. You want to make stuff here? Taxed. You want to make money here? Taxed.

Yes on Bush and Clinton. Yes on congress playing a large roll. As demonstrated by the democrats wasting 2 years on healthcare rather than economic solutions. All led by Obama.

And your last paragraph speaks for itself. You want jobs to come back or not? If we don't offer a carrot they will stay offshore just as your original post stated. If however we offer the companies tax breaks we may entice them to return jobs here. Thus bringing revenue to the govt through all the new employees as well as from the products or services sold. There is no downside unless class warfare is your only concern.

Deregulation and tax breaks are the key ingredients for job growth.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I meet and talk to a lot of people through my business. None of them are crying about other peoples income.

I had a friend who, as the 1984 election approached, voiced fears of electoral fraud because in 1980 "nobody I knew was voting for Reagan."

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Six in 10 Support Policies Addressing Income Inequality - ABC News

"Sixty-one percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll think the wealth gap is larger than it’s been historically. And despite longstanding public concerns about activist government, six in 10 also say the federal government should seek to reduce that differential.

"The public’s concern is buttressed by a recent Congressional Budget Office estimate that the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans have nearly tripled their incomes since 1979, while the bottom 80 percent of earners have seen their share of the nation’s total income slightly decline."

That's just public opinion, of course (which probably explains why Obama is talking about it). But in fact, he's absolutely right. Income disparity is why our economy collapsed in 2008. All of the other causes, from bad mortgages to falling home values to derivatives trading to lack of oversight of the financial industry, would otherwise have produced a banking crisis but not a recession, let alone the second Depression we see now.

The economy depends on consumer spending. Consumer spending depends on money in many people's hands, which is inversely proportional to income disparity. When income disparity is very high, most people don't have enough income to spend on purchases, inventories pile up unsold, and the economy goes into recession.

For a while, we can (and did) prop up incomes with credit, but that only works for a while. Sooner or later, credit capacity becomes exhausted, or some damned thing or other messes up the financial sector and the credit stops flowing. Then the economy breaks down. And that's the reason why the banking crisis a few years ago became an economy-wide recession and then a depression.

If we want to remove that vulnerability, restore real prosperity, and prevent a recurrence, we must address the unhealthy income disparity in this country. It is (almost) job one. The only thing that's more important is getting the money out of politics so that addressing that and other crucial issues is even possible.

How clever. While you are right about my sample size it does not change the fact that Obama spends all his time trying to bring the rich down rather than real solutions that would help everyone and not just his voting base.

Like your post Obama is all gimmicks.

 

[Billy000]

Obama says the most important issue of our time is income despairity.

When so clearly the 3 top issues are....

Jobs
Economic recovery
Terrorism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH635t1mYoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you think the income disparity is not related to jobs and economic recovery, then it is you, sir, that is out of touch.

 

[healthmyths]

Of course I evidently am in the minority in dealing with FACTS!

FACTS like:
1) NOT ONE millionaire in the 1890s HAD free cell phones!
2) NOT ONE millionaire was able to write comments like this and potential readers
world wide.. (in case you still don't get it.. THE INTERNET!!!)
3) NOT ONE millionaire could be in NYC in the morning and Los Angeles by noon!
4) NOT ONE millionaire lived to be more then 100! (today there are 70,500 Americans
and the statistics being what they are [ i.e. 1 millionaire for every 18 people]
that means at least 3 are millionaires!)
Senior Citizen Population and Statistics
But don't believe me!!! I just deal in FACTS!!!

So much for income disparity!!!

 

[Dragon]

WHAT INCOME disparity????

Early 1900s, colleges were not exclusive just to children of the wealthy.
Today: college education is FREE! Pell Grants.. scholarships..!!!!

Oh, really? ALL students are able to attend college for free on Pell grants and scholarships? Let's see the proof of that.

What Disparity???
Seems 1 millionaire for every 18 versus 1 millionaire for every 15,744!!

Would someone PLEASE tell me where the Disparity is???

You've been told this. It has nothing to do with the number of millionaires there are and vice-versa. Here again, you are presenting evidence that has nothing to do with what you are trying to assert: your MO.

Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High: STUDY

Take a look at the chart at the top of this link. (And please, no argumentum ad hominem -- the fact that it's PUBLISHED at Huffington Post means nothing. It was a study conducted at U Cal Berkeley.) The chart shows the percentage of the nation's income that is taken by the top 0.01% richest people (i.e., the richest one out of 10,000). Note that it is up to 6% today, compared to the previous 5% high right before the Great Depression, and to the low of under 1% during the period when our economy was at its healthiest.

For a broader measure of inequality, go here: Introducing the Great Divergence - Slate Magazine Scroll down a ways and you'll find another chart. This is the percentage of the nation's income taken by the top 10% (a much wider chunk of the richest people than the chart at HuffPo depicts), but it shows the same pattern. The top 10% of the people take 50% of the income nowadays, a level previously achieved only right before the Great Depression, and very different from the 35% they pulled in during the economic Golden Age.

That income disparity has increased dramatically is simply a fact, and the presentation of irrelevant data -- which is what you tend to do about any and all questions -- doesn't change that fact.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I see the right submitting ‘proof’ but no evidence – that’s known as putting the cart before the horse.

Partisan rhetoric is not 'proof.'

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obama says the most important issue of our time is income despairity.

When so clearly the 3 top issues are....

Jobs
Economic recovery
Terrorism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH635t1mYoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you think the income disparity is not related to jobs and economic recovery, then it is you, sir, that is out of touch.

Crying about others making more than you doesn't create jobs.

Taxing the rich more to give to someone else doesn't create jobs.

Wanna create a job? Get an education. Whining about the rich accomplishes nothing.

 

[Dragon]

Of course I evidently am in the minority in dealing with FACTS!

You are ALONE in dealing with facts that have NO BEARING WHATEVER on what is being discussed.

You are the crown prince and master of the deceptive argument and the presentation of irrelevant evidence that proves nothing you claim it does.

There is not one single fact you presented in this post that in any way, shape or form says ANYTHING about income disparity in this country, past or present.

I have, accordingly, snipped them all as unworthy of a response, apart from this:

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Billy did you really think your neg of 6.5 was going to set me straight?

Idiot, enjoy the neg 178.5

 

[The Rabbi]

god you are stupid. Its a scale. Tip it one way too much and Greece happens( granted one could point to the fact the wall street helped fuck them over, but i dont want to make it to complex for your simple mind.

oh good tax fairness, stop trying to raise my taxes you asshole.

you hate socialism that much? then we can block you from calling the Fire, Police, or the have the military protect you. You cant drive on my roads either.

you stupid fuck

What scale is it? Every place that widespread social programs and give-aways have been tried, the results have been the same: burdensome taxation, low economic growth, high structural unemployment, and crushing budget deficits.
Fuck you, you socialist simp. You are too fucking stupid to breathe.

we have huge unemployment everywhere. One area i can point to off the top of my head is Austria ( i believe ) who has a socialist Educational system and is Number 1 in the world. They also have the happiest people around and best places to live.

Thank you for skipping over the rest of my post, i figured you would punt on those.

The scales of balance?

Hell we havent even gotten into the whole 08 crash and how Wall street helped these nations get into the trouble they are currently in.

But i know you dont believe wall street did anything wrong, you think its all because of socialism and government.

awe thats cute, look at you trying to be all tough guy and insulting back....

You didnt refute anything I wrote. In fact, you supported it. You realize that, right?

 

[Billy000]

Obama says the most important issue of our time is income despairity.

When so clearly the 3 top issues are....

Jobs
Economic recovery
Terrorism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH635t1mYoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If you think the income disparity is not related to jobs and economic recovery, then it is you, sir, that is out of touch.

Crying about others making more than you doesn't create jobs.

Taxing the rich more to give to someone else doesn't create jobs.

Wanna create a job? Get an education. Whining about the rich accomplishes nothing.

Christ, that is such a conservative cop out. Is that really the only argument you have? It shows you do not understand the issues of wealth disparity.

I totally respect the wealthy. They are critical to capitalism to function. I also think they deserve to be well-paid for what they do, but not nearly to this extent.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, I believe a presidents agenda and policies have a very direct impact on our economy.

As far as your assertion that companies won't come back I have a thought. If your right we have NOTHING to lose by offering the carrot to begin with. Only gains could be made. So why not try? Remember the Wright brothers?

So then you agree that Bushes policies help led to the 08 crash correct?
You agree that Clinton's policies helped us to a decent economy?

more so since obama is a failure and hasnt done anything or passed anything ( i read that here) how can his "policies" have any affect on our economy.
or
Do you think it goes more like this. The President has SOME impact on the economy,but doesnt have direct control over it.

Then you have to ask where does congress play into this? How much of the blame do they get, or does the President get all of it?

Why do these people deserve tax free anything? You want to sell your shit here? Taxed. You want to make stuff here? Taxed. You want to make money here? Taxed.

Yes on Bush and Clinton. Yes on congress playing a large roll. As demonstrated by the democrats wasting 2 years on healthcare rather than economic solutions. All led by Obama.

And your last paragraph speaks for itself. You want jobs to come back or not? If we don't offer a carrot they will stay offshore just as your original post stated. If however we offer the companies tax breaks we may entice them to return jobs here. Thus bringing revenue to the govt through all the new employees as well as from the products or services sold. There is no downside unless class warfare is your only concern.

Which policy of Bush caused the 08 meltdown? Which policy of Clinton accounted for the tech boom?
It's nuts. Only partisan idiots would frame the questions like this. We've been through the bust and the boom and what caused them. And in both cases the President was pretty much a non factor.

 

[The Rabbi]

If you think the income disparity is not related to jobs and economic recovery, then it is you, sir, that is out of touch.

Crying about others making more than you doesn't create jobs.

Taxing the rich more to give to someone else doesn't create jobs.

Wanna create a job? Get an education. Whining about the rich accomplishes nothing.

Christ, that is such a conservative cop out. Is that really the only argument you have? It shows you do not understand the issues of wealth disparity.

I totally respect the wealthy. They are critical to capitalism to function. I also think they deserve to be well-paid for what they do, but not nearly to this extent.

To what extent do you think people should make money?

 

[Billy000]

Crying about others making more than you doesn't create jobs.

Taxing the rich more to give to someone else doesn't create jobs.

Wanna create a job? Get an education. Whining about the rich accomplishes nothing.

Christ, that is such a conservative cop out. Is that really the only argument you have? It shows you do not understand the issues of wealth disparity.

I totally respect the wealthy. They are critical to capitalism to function. I also think they deserve to be well-paid for what they do, but not nearly to this extent.

To what extent do you think people should make money?

I simply believe that the middle and lower class should be able to realize their contribution of labor.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So then you agree that Bushes policies help led to the 08 crash correct?
You agree that Clinton's policies helped us to a decent economy?

more so since obama is a failure and hasnt done anything or passed anything ( i read that here) how can his "policies" have any affect on our economy.
or
Do you think it goes more like this. The President has SOME impact on the economy,but doesnt have direct control over it.

Then you have to ask where does congress play into this? How much of the blame do they get, or does the President get all of it?

Why do these people deserve tax free anything? You want to sell your shit here? Taxed. You want to make stuff here? Taxed. You want to make money here? Taxed.

Yes on Bush and Clinton. Yes on congress playing a large roll. As demonstrated by the democrats wasting 2 years on healthcare rather than economic solutions. All led by Obama.

And your last paragraph speaks for itself. You want jobs to come back or not? If we don't offer a carrot they will stay offshore just as your original post stated. If however we offer the companies tax breaks we may entice them to return jobs here. Thus bringing revenue to the govt through all the new employees as well as from the products or services sold. There is no downside unless class warfare is your only concern.

Which policy of Bush caused the 08 meltdown? Which policy of Clinton accounted for the tech boom?
It's nuts. Only partisan idiots would frame the questions like this. We've been through the bust and the boom and what caused them. And in both cases the President was pretty much a non factor.

Bush enabled the crash through his big govt spending.

I prospered very well under Clinton.

I see what I see. May not always be accurate for everyone but it is my perception of how they affected my business none the less. Has nothing to so with party politics.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Christ, that is such a conservative cop out. Is that really the only argument you have? It shows you do not understand the issues of wealth disparity.

I totally respect the wealthy. They are critical to capitalism to function. I also think they deserve to be well-paid for what they do, but not nearly to this extent.

To what extent do you think people should make money?

I simply believe that the middle and lower class should be able to realize their contribution of labor.

I get paid very well for my labor. Maybe your issue is a personal one if your having trouble.

 

[Katzndogz]

Obama says the most important issue of our time is income despairity.

When so clearly the 3 top issues are....

Jobs
Economic recovery
Terrorism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH635t1mYoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ironic that you put "jobs" at the top of your list as they're what determines income-disparity. There are plenty of low-paying "jobs" out there, thanks to outsourcing, that wouldn't even pay the grocery bill. YOU'RE out of touch

I meet and talk to a lot of people through my business. None of them are crying about other peoples income. As far as your low paying job nonsense its just that,
Nonsense. Look on the internet job listings. Plenty of good jobs. Plenty.

You see what you want to see.

No matter where you go or who you talk to, no one is concerned with income disparity. They don't think about it. They care about how well they are doing.

A condo in Miami just sold to someone for 22.1 million dollars. Do you think about it? Is it a concern to you that someone has 22.1 million dollars for a condo? No. It won't cross your mind. What will is something like getting the oil changed on your car.

There is a man in Russia who is so wealthy he built a gold plated yacht. Off hand, who is he? Has his ownership of a gold plated yacht deprived you of getting anything?

This is what went wrong with the OWS movement and occupy black friday. The shitters wanted people to think about the profits the stores were making. The reality is, the people were only thinking about the next sale.

 

[Billy000]

To what extent do you think people should make money?

I simply believe that the middle and lower class should be able to realize their contribution of labor.

I get paid very well for my labor. Maybe your issue is a personal one if your having trouble.

I'm not. That would have made this issue pretty easy to dismiss had I said yes, wouldn't it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I totally respect the wealthy. They are critical to capitalism to function. I also think they deserve to be well-paid for what they do, but not nearly to this extent.

I was with you until the bolded part, as the extent of their wealth isn’t the issue.

At issue is the disproportionate attention and support they receive from republican lawmakers, and republican lawmakers’ expectation that the middle class suffer a disproportionate share of the burden with regard to addressing the Nation’s issues.

I see what I see. May not always be accurate for everyone but it is my perception of how they affected my business none the less. Has nothing to so with party politics.

Perhaps.

But by your own admission your perception ‘may not always be accurate,’ and equally inaccurate is your perception that Obama is ‘out of touch.’

 

[Dragon]

Crying about others making more than you

is nothing anyone is doing and therefore should not be mentioned.

Taxing the rich more to give to someone else doesn't create jobs.

Sure it does. It boosts consumer demand, which boosts investment, which creates jobs. In fact, in the bind we're in now, income redistribution is the only way we can create jobs.

Wanna create a job? Get an education.

That may create, or at least preserve, jobs for teachers and other education employees.

Of course, what you meant is that it will help you to GET a job. But that's not the same thing as creating one.