Promises Broken

[Esta_PG]

Did you enjoy living as a guinea pig during the Bush experiments?

Every change in policy and every change in law is a leap of faith, chum.

Which experiments would those be? I'm not a homeowner (because I had difficulty understanding why on earth three banks were telling me I was approved when clearly I shouldn't have been) and I am a firm supporter of No Child Left Behind. Generally speaking, Bush's domestic policy (i.e. what affects me on a daily basis) has been incredibly to my liking. Would I prefer greater environmental advocacy? Sure. Gay rights? Of course. Stem-cell research? In some cases, yes. But the issues that have impacted me on a daily basis (as a teacher and as a tax-payer) have been smooth sailing and extremely positive.

Foreign policy matters have not impacted my ability to make a living. I didn't approve of going into Iraq on false pretenses (which at this point is fairly safe to say) but it isn't changing my ability to bicycle to the grocery store or work or write or afford food, etc.

Foreign policy was an experiment, partially of necessity and partially of stupidity, and one that has been pretty detrimental to America, but all the things I listed in my quotation are domestic matters, and domestic policy wasn't an experiment under Bush. It was a treatment plan that helped a great number of working class Americans improve their quality of life. And it's a serious mistake to blame the sub-prime mortgage crisis and financial collapse in America on "experimentation". Years of bad banking strategy overlooked because things were going alright? Sure. But it's naive to think any individual bears responsibility for all our economic woes for thinking "Hey! Here's an idea! Let's see how it works in the largest sociology laboratory in the country."

And I disagree. It isn't a leap of faith to trust that a president with serious experience on economic policy isn't going to screw things up even worse. That's why I'm nervous about Barack Obama. I have little faith in any politician's ability to address all our problems, but a highly inexperienced partisan politician (NOT executive) who has appointed (or suggested) a great many people to economic positions who are in many ways partially responsible for our lowly state at the moment receives even less faith than normal. Dealing with "housing, unemployment, healthcare [sic.],...deficit, economy problems" is a dangerous job for a theorist. It's a job for somebody practical, and there is a dearth of practicality in the President Elect's 'team'.

On an unrelated note: 'team'??? What is this, middle school basketball? You're going to be running the country in two months; a little gravitas would be appreciated.

 

[bk1983]

"Present incipient Great Depression"? You know, they have treatments for your brand of excessive, unrealistic pessimism. We aren't even technically, officially in a RECESSION, let alone a depression, let alone a Great Depression. We also have virtually none of the conditions that precipitated that depression.

The problem for you leftists is that you desperately WANT a bad economy, so that you can eagerly rush in and force your utterly unpalatable and ignorant ideas on the rest of us, completely ignoring the fact that it has been, each time, a moving away from conservativism and toward your sort of idiocy that has led us into economic disaster every time in our history.

And here you are again. Oh, boy! The economy is having a downturn. What a perfect time to expand the government even more! We'll just pretend that that wasn't EXACTLY what made the Great Depression last as long as it did. As long as we sling enough mud and try to blame it on conservatives, who held no responsibility for it, that should be enough.

YOU created the Great Depression. YOU created this current economic downturn. YOU are exacerbating it. YOU are hoping for it to become even worse. YOU are recommending policies that have the ability to make it a depression. It's all YOU.

Talking about ignoring the facts, just what do you define as a recession? Because I always thought a recession is a period of economic decline. Just what part of econmic decline do you not understand? Also your dumbass is blaming people for recomending policies that will cause the depression, yet claim we are not in a recession, well a recession comes before a depression retard.

 

[Lycurgus]

The problem for you Conservatives is that it will be remembered as your Depression, just as the first Great Depression was remembered as a Republican depression.

ahuh, LOL ........... Not with idiots like Barney Frank on video!

 

[DiveCon]

ahuh, LOL ........... Not with idiots like Barney Frank on video!

dont count on it

 

[Lycurgus]

DiveCon,

Not much really amazes me, but, the voters in Frank's region do. How in the world they could continually vote someone so sub par to represent them. How many years has he been around now?

I'm not proud of the conservative record as of late, as I feel they have gotten way off track and principals, but dear God, Barney Frank?

 

[DiveCon]

DiveCon,

Not much really amazes me, but, the voters in Frank's region do. How in the world they could continually vote someone so sub par to represent them. How many years has he been around now?

I'm not proud of the republican record as of late, as I feel they have gotten way off track and principals, but dear God, Barney Frank?

fixed, and i agree
if the GOP had stayed true to its conservative base, we wouldnt have half the mess we do today
of course the libs will claim it was the conservative base that caused it
well, thats just plain false

 

[editec]

"Present incipient Great Depression"? You know, they have treatments for your brand of excessive, unrealistic pessimism. We aren't even technically, officially in a RECESSION, let alone a depression, let alone a Great Depression. We also have virtually none of the conditions that precipitated that depression.

That's right.

but not in the way, you think it's right, Cecilie.

In fact things are actually WORSE than they were int he 1929 depression.

For one thing our debt loads, both public and private are much worse.

The problem for you leftists is that you desperately WANT a bad economy, so that you can eagerly rush in and force your utterly unpalatable and ignorant ideas on the rest of us, completely ignoring the fact that it has been, each time, a moving away from conservativism and toward your sort of idiocy that has led us into economic disaster every time in our history.

What a comforting way of ignoring reality that must be for you. Killing the messenger to ignore the problem only works till the problem finally reaches you, of course.

The messengers who have been foretelling you about this mess were ignored and killed by people like you for some time, yet here we are --standing on the precipise of economic meltdown and STILL you're living in denial.

And here you are again. Oh, boy! The economy is having a downturn. What a perfect time to expand the government even more! We'll just pretend that that wasn't EXACTLY what made the Great Depression last as long as it did. As long as we sling enough mud and try to blame it on conservatives, who held no responsibility for it, that should be enough.

You really ought to read more and listen to hate raidio less, I think.

YOU created the Great Depression. YOU created this current economic downturn. YOU are exacerbating it. YOU are hoping for it to become even worse. YOU are recommending policies that have the ability to make it a depression. It's all YOU.

Yeah that's right...the people who have been out of power in both parties for the last 40 years caused the depression.

Those so called extremeist Republicans and Democrats, the people who came at the problem from different directions but who BOTH warned the nation that things were not right, were right.

You folks who dismissed BOTH those political wings of both parties are the ones who bought into the lies of VOODOO consumer economics.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's right.

but not in the way, you think it's right, Cecilie.

In fact things are actually WORSE than they were int he 1929 depression.

For one thing our debt loads, both public and private are much worse.



What a comforting way of ignoring reality that must be for you. Killing the messenger to ignore the problem only works till the problem finally reaches you, of course.

The messengers who have been foretelling you about this mess were ignored and killed by people like you for some time, yet here we are --standing on the precipise of economic meltdown and STILL you're living in denial.



You really ought to read more and listen to hate raidio less, I think.



Yeah that's right...the people who have been out of power in both parties for the last 40 years caused the depression.

Those so called extremeist Republicans and Democrats, the people who came at the problem from different directions but who BOTH warned the nation that things were not right, were right.

You folks who dismissed BOTH those political wings of both parties are the ones who bought into the lies of VOODOO consumer economics.

You really ought to get an argument that amounts to more than "You just don't want to believe it! Hate radio! The sky really IS falling, and don't you tell me different! "

 

[Esta_PG]

Yeah that's right...the people who have been out of power in both parties for the last 40 years caused the depression.

Those so called extremeist Republicans and Democrats, the people who came at the problem from different directions but who BOTH warned the nation that things were not right, were right.

You folks who dismissed BOTH those political wings of both parties are the ones who bought into the lies of VOODOO consumer economics.

Neither of those branches warned the nation that things were not right for the right reasons.

Under whose watch were regulations de-regulated? It's unclear. The gradual repeal of regulations has happened pretty steadily under the watch of both parties for different reasons since Jimmy Carter. Both parties have held power over Congress and/or the White House at some point for a long, long time. Neither part is immune to the blame. The depressing increase in polarization hasn't highlighted the causes or reasons for problems. It has shown us the problems without explaining WHY they exist. The move to the center, God willing it comes, is the only way to have enough rational individuals to oversee things and improve the economy. There is no adult individual in the United States who has observed the economy who is free from guilt; neither party, no man or woman. Trying to throw the blame back and forth is prolonging the catastrophe, even if none of us can have a direct effect on the solution.

 

[editec]

You really ought to get an argument that amounts to more than "You just don't want to believe it! Hate radio! The sky really IS falling, and don't you tell me different! "

You're grasping at straws here, Cecilie.

The sky is falling.

Just as the people who you apprently are dismissing (on both the right and left wings of the political spectrum) have been warning us about for going on 40 years now.

Y9ou can attack me personally all you want, but the reality is that the wolf is at the door, anyway.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're grasping at straws here, Cecilie.

The sky is falling.

Just as the people who you apprently are dismissing (on both the right and left wings of the political spectrum) have been warning us about for going on 40 years now.

Y9ou can attack me personally all you want, but the reality is that the wolf is at the door, anyway.

I haven't attacked you personally. I denigrated your opinion. Learn the difference.

The sky is not falling, nor am I dismissing the fact that there are problems. But you need to get a grip and realize that "problems" do not always equate to "Ahhhh! The world is ending!! Great Depression!!!"

The wolf is not at the door, nor does he ever need to be allowed to arrive at the door. However, people like you who are practically spooging themselves in excitement at the thought of a new Great Depression and the socialist leaders you adore are essentially throwing a lasso around that wolf and DRAGGING his furry ass to the door, kicking and howling, with your eagerness to duplicate the idiotic policies that created the first Great Depression.