Prominant Phyisicist Said Polar icecaps will melt in 50 years but

[Dr Grump]

This was back in 1957. I guess that deadline has come and gone..


Garth George : Climate hysteria won't last test of time - World - NZ Herald News

 

[Avatar4321]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

 

[Dr Grump]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

True, but he also mentioned the sea would rise 12m (which it hasn't) and that NY would be under water, which it's not..

 

[jillian]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

True, but he also mentioned the sea would rise 12m (which it hasn't) and that NY would be under water, which it's not..

well, do you think he was wrong about the melting ice caps? or was he just wrong about the timeline?

 

[Dr Grump]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

True, but he also mentioned the sea would rise 12m (which it hasn't) and that NY would be under water, which it's not..

well, do you think he was wrong about the melting ice caps? or was he just wrong about the timeline?

Well, they were pretty sure 50 years ago too, and nothing happened.

I'm neither for nor against global warming per se, but I do object strongly to shit being put in the atmosphere for pollution's sake alone, let alone if it is affecting the planet's heat...

 

[jillian]

True, but he also mentioned the sea would rise 12m (which it hasn't) and that NY would be under water, which it's not..

well, do you think he was wrong about the melting ice caps? or was he just wrong about the timeline?

Well, they were pretty sure 50 years ago too, and nothing happened.

I'm neither for nor against global warming per se, but I do object strongly to shit being put in the atmosphere for pollution's sake alone, let alone if it is affecting the planet's heat...

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

 

[Dr Grump]

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

More or less my take on it. I read a good five years ago that if you gave every human being one square metre, they'd all fit into Texas. Putting that into perspective, that ain't a lot of the planet. And if you look at even the most crowded cities in the world on the satellite image of Google maps, most have a tonne of green space around them. Even some of those smog ridden cities in Europe have huge areas of greenery...the juries out IMO

 

[rdean]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

So the North Pole is ice free every summer? I didn't know that. I guess you learn something every day. Do you have a link?

Anyone have a link to the article everyone is talking about? Can't seem to find it.

 

[FireGod]

well, do you think he was wrong about the melting ice caps? or was he just wrong about the timeline?

Well, they were pretty sure 50 years ago too, and nothing happened.

I'm neither for nor against global warming per se, but I do object strongly to shit being put in the atmosphere for pollution's sake alone, let alone if it is affecting the planet's heat...

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

But that is socialism or the great evil to business or the great evil for personal freedom or it cots too much etc.

 

[Lost Soul]

People are running away from this liberal fraud called GW.

Three big companies quit an influential lobbying group that had focused on shaping climate-change legislation, in the latest sign that support for an ambitious bill is melting away.


Reuters

BP PLC and two other major firms quit a lobbying group focused on shaping global-warming policy.
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Several companies are quitting an influential lobbying group focusing in on legislation, despite the administratin's push to use the budget to pass greenhouse gas legistlation. WSJ's Grainne McCarthy reports in the News Hub.
.Oil giants BP PLC and ConocoPhillips and heavy-equipment maker Caterpillar Inc. said Tuesday they won't renew their membership in the three-year-old U.S. Climate Action Partnership, a broad business-environmental coalition that had been instrumental in building support in Washington for capping emissions of greenhouse gases.

The move comes as debate over climate change intensifies and concerns mount about the cost of capping greenhouse-gas emissions.

 

[jillian]

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

More or less my take on it. I read a good five years ago that if you gave every human being one square metre, they'd all fit into Texas. Putting that into perspective, that ain't a lot of the planet. And if you look at even the most crowded cities in the world on the satellite image of Google maps, most have a tonne of green space around them. Even some of those smog ridden cities in Europe have huge areas of greenery...the juries out IMO

i don't know about the one square metre. but i do know that drinkable water is starting to be an issue in some places. and food sources are going to become increasingly difficult to find. we're over-fishing our seas and generally upsetting the balance of the eco-system.

if we're going to keep being able to sustain ourselves, those things need to be addressed, too. draughts are more frequent as are progressively severe weather patterns. not all of it is controllable. and not all of it is fatal to humankind. but we can be reasonable.

when i see people cheering for pollution because they somehow see it as pro corporate, it kind of turns my stomach.

 

[jillian]

Well, they were pretty sure 50 years ago too, and nothing happened.

I'm neither for nor against global warming per se, but I do object strongly to shit being put in the atmosphere for pollution's sake alone, let alone if it is affecting the planet's heat...

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

But that is socialism or the great evil to business or the great evil for personal freedom or it cots too much etc.

the horror....

the horror....

 

[Lost Soul]

when i see people cheering for pollution because they somehow see it as pro corporate, it kind of turns my stomach.

No one is cheering for more pollution. Strawman if there ever was.

What people are doing is standing up to the many lies told by the cult of GW. Even now the bricks are falling in on your guys as more and more proof of the lies and half truths come to light.

No one wants to see a earth full of pollution and trash. But we dont need a bunch of liars and koolaid drinkers telling us that if we dont lock step to what they claim will happen (which is becoming clearer and clearer to be nothing but a bunch of hog wash lies) the earth will flood and become so hot that humans wont be able to survive.

 

[Xenophon]

The main problem I have with all of this is the timing.

The economy is in very bad shape, this is exactly the wrong time to try and 'punish' power companies, as all they ever do is pass the costs on to the consumers.

That is the real issue behind the opposition to 'cap & trade.' You can make power companies buy all the 'carbon credits' they like, and it won't make them change as they will just jack rakes to the customers. In the end it becomes clear 'carbon credits' and 'cap & trade' is just a new way to redistrabute wealth amoung those doing the trading, it won't stop carbon emitions and won't do anything for 'global warming.'

What it will do is make the investors in cap & trade rich and place a crushing burden on poor people, that the government claims they will 'help' with cedits and tax breaks, but all that does is add more pointless debt to the deficiet.

I personally would take these people seriously only when they stop blocking nuclear energy and off shore drilling, as they would allow a smoother transition to new energy sources instead of the massive fraud that is trying to be pushed on us.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

fair enough. my feeling on the subject is that the stuff we put out there clearly isn't helping and if we can be better stewards of the planet, we should be.

More or less my take on it. I read a good five years ago that if you gave every human being one square metre, they'd all fit into Texas. Putting that into perspective, that ain't a lot of the planet. And if you look at even the most crowded cities in the world on the satellite image of Google maps, most have a tonne of green space around them. Even some of those smog ridden cities in Europe have huge areas of greenery...the juries out IMO

i don't know about the one square metre. but i do know that drinkable water is starting to be an issue in some places. and food sources are going to become increasingly difficult to find. we're over-fishing our seas and generally upsetting the balance of the eco-system.

if we're going to keep being able to sustain ourselves, those things need to be addressed, too. draughts are more frequent as are progressively severe weather patterns. not all of it is controllable. and not all of it is fatal to humankind. but we can be reasonable.

when i see people cheering for pollution because they somehow see it as pro corporate, it kind of turns my stomach.

What a load of BULLSHIT. Go ahead point out people on this board "CHEERING" for pollution. And make sure to post proof.

 

[rightwinger]

How much have they melted in that 50 years?

I see you do not dispute that they are melting, only that they are not melting fast enough

 

[rdean]

And they did melt in 2007... they just froze again come winter. Like they do every year.

Are you saying the North Pole is ice free every summer? I didn't know that. I guess you learn something every day. Still looking for that link.

Anyone have a link to the article everyone is talking about? Can't seem to find it.