Progressive America

[grunt11b]

Does this not make you sick? Hillary said she was one, so does Obama.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBL2d93X7M]YouTube - Matt Spalding on Progressivism's Assault on America's Founding[/ame]
European socialism, brought to you buy, berry,hillary,harry and nancy. Enjoy it i you voted for it so why not enjoy it, we will beat your asses in 2012 for it though, so carry on you dumb fucks.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Which is more of an insult nowadays...

being called a liberal or a progressive..?

 

[William Joyce]

The whole point of the word "progressive" is to stay away from the word "liberal", which is trashed. But it's the same bucket of vomit. Take money from whites, give it to illegal aliens from Mexico.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hillary and Obama are both corporate, globalist stooges.

How does that make them progressive?

 

[xsited1]

Which is more of an insult nowadays...

being called a liberal or a progressive..?

I'm still amazed at how the socialists/communists in America were able to co-opt the word 'liberal' to identify themselves when what they represent is almost the exact opposite of what the dictionary definition says. There is definitely a stigma of being called a liberal today which is why they've started calling themselves progressives. And again, they have hijacked the word 'progressive' to support their positions when the dictionary definition is almost the exact opposite of what they represent. American is like an island. I can say I'm a Liberal to just about anybody outside of America and they'll know that I stand for Liberty, but not in America. In America, it means I'm a wacko-leftist who wants the State to control every aspect of our lives (except for mine, of course).

 

[Antiderivative]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

 

[Agit8r]

that "European Socialism" that most of the free world enjoys is a watered down version of Christian Socialism. There was no relativity in that movement, to be certain o_0

 

[mnbasketball]

OH my GOD, Illegals have nothing for the middle class whites, they are here for business, you bunch of dumb asses. Sure the Dem's would like to organize them into a voting block, because they will not go away and if they are left to work for nothing as business wants, it will be the end of the middle class.

The greed of the rich that sent jobs overseas to ruin the middle class so they can control the elections and in the end take all the wealth for themselves. It's happening and dumb asses like you guys are helping them do it.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

.. back to the rubber room.... I'm thinking..

 

[Antiderivative]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

.. back to the rubber room.... I'm thinking..

Cutting back on our empire is a bad thing,

 

[Political Junky]

Does this not make you sick? Hillary said she was one, so does Obama.
YouTube - Matt Spalding on Progressivism's Assault on America's Founding
European socialism, brought to you buy, berry,hillary,harry and nancy. Enjoy it i you voted for it so why not enjoy it, we will beat your asses in 2012 for it though, so carry on you dumb fucks.

It doesn't look bad at all in Europe. They have a good quality of life.

 

[Agit8r]

The Heritage Foundation is full of shit. End of story

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Heritage Foundation is full of shit. End of story

Yeah, that too. It is not a reliable source.

 

[auditor0007]

Does this not make you sick? Hillary said she was one, so does Obama.
YouTube - Matt Spalding on Progressivism's Assault on America's Founding
European socialism, brought to you buy, berry,hillary,harry and nancy. Enjoy it i you voted for it so why not enjoy it, we will beat your asses in 2012 for it though, so carry on you dumb fucks.

Actually, I see a massive Republican backlash in the works.

 

[jeffrockit]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

Which still wont come close to touching the deficit. The big 3 Medicare, Medicaid and SS are the biggest factors in the deficit. Until we get serious about reworking those programs, we won't begin to reduce the deficit.

Another problem is how much the govt has grown just in the past 2 years.
"The average level of U.S. government spending as a percentage of GDP from the end of World War II to the present is 19.6 percent," observes the Heritage Foundation. "In the past two years that level has exploded, reaching 24.7 percent in 2009 and an estimated 25.4 in 2010.
Finally, Some Hope - WSJ.com

The big problem is that Obama thinks that the USA is great because of govt so the bigger the better. Problem is govt does not earn $$$; they have to take it from the taxpayers. As the size of govt increases, the $$ needed to fund that bloated machine will fall more on the backs of workers. Since the unemployment numbers are almost double digit, where will the money to fund govt come from?

 

[idb]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

Which still wont come close to touching the deficit. The big 3 Medicare, Medicaid and SS are the biggest factors in the deficit. Until we get serious about reworking those programs, we won't begin to reduce the deficit.

Another problem is how much the govt has grown just in the past 2 years.
"The average level of U.S. government spending as a percentage of GDP from the end of World War II to the present is 19.6 percent," observes the Heritage Foundation. "In the past two years that level has exploded, reaching 24.7 percent in 2009 and an estimated 25.4 in 2010.
Finally, Some Hope - WSJ.com

The big problem is that Obama thinks that the USA is great because of govt so the bigger the better. Problem is govt does not earn $$$; they have to take it from the taxpayers. As the size of govt increases, the $$ needed to fund that bloated machine will fall more on the backs of workers. Since the unemployment numbers are almost double digit, where will the money to fund govt come from?

Surely that isn't right...don't the gummint own several car companies and banks as well?
Your gummint is clearly a fully functional corporate citizen contributing to the wealth of the country.

 

[editec]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

Which still wont come close to touching the deficit. The big 3 Medicare, Medicaid and SS are the biggest factors in the deficit. Until we get serious about reworking those programs, we won't begin to reduce the deficit.

You have been misinformed. Social Security is NOT broke....not even remotely broke, actually.

Social Security has a $2.7 trillion dollar cash position.

Of course their cash position is in the form of government bonds (money SS lent to the Feds over the last 30 years) , but they are as secure as the other 12 Trillion in bonds that the US government owes the rest of the world.

In order for social security to be in trouble, every other bond holder that is holding US T-bills would ALSO have to be in trouble.

That would mean that just every bank, pension fund, and large insurance company in the world would be in trouble, too as they hold the same debt instruments that the Social Security funds holds as collatoral

Anybody here worried that the USA is going to renege on Social Security has to also assume that the FED is about to renege on the money it owes to the world's most powerful moneybags.

What apparently many of you do not quite yet get is that the FEDERAL debt is being counted as ASSETS in some of the largest private and public banks in the world.

Unless the FED is considering reneging ONLY on the DEBT it owes the American workers who paid into that social security fund, of course. And I rather doubt they're prepared to do that.


Medicade and Medicare are in trouble.

And most of that trouble comes to it because the cost of HC rises faster than the people's ability to be taxed to pay for it.

The solution in that case is to do something REAL to keep the cost of HC down.

I doubt we can tax ourselves out of that problem.

By throwning more money at the problem of rising HC expenses, we'd be causing still more HC icost ncreases.

Quite the dilemma, huh?

Sooner or later we might find the gravitas to really focus in the root cause of the problem.

The market really cannot fix that problem all by itself.

As should be obvious to those of you who have been paying attention to rising HC cost for the last 40 years or so.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gut military and roll back the Bus tax cuts. However, dumbass Cons think the the EPA and PP caused this crisis.

Fucking delusional.

Which still wont come close to touching the deficit. The big 3 Medicare, Medicaid and SS are the biggest factors in the deficit. Until we get serious about reworking those programs, we won't begin to reduce the deficit.

You have been misinformed. Social Security is NOT broke....not even remotely broke, actually.

Social Security has a $2.7 trillion dollar cash position.

Of course their cash position is in the form of government bonds (money SS lent to the Feds over the last 30 years) , but they are as secure as the other 12 Trillion in bonds that the US government owes the rest of the world.

In order for social security to be in trouble, every other bond holder that is holding US T-bills would ALSO have to be in trouble.

That would mean that just every bank, pension fund, and large insurance company in the world would be in trouble, too as they hold the same debt instruments that the Social Security funds holds as collatoral

Anybody here worried that the USA is going to renege on Social Security has to also assume that the FED is about to renege on the money it owes to the world's most powerful moneybags.

What apparently many of you do not quite yet get is that the FEDERAL debt is being counted as ASSETS in some of the largest private and public banks in the world.

Unless the FED is considering reneging ONLY on the DEBT it owes the American workers who paid into that social security fund, of course. And I rather doubt they're prepared to do that.


Medicade and Medicare are in trouble.

And most of that trouble comes to it because the cost of HC rises faster than the people's ability to be taxed to pay for it.

The solution in that case is to do something REAL to keep the cost of HC down.

I doubt we can tax ourselves out of that problem.

By throwning more money at the problem of rising HC expenses, we'd be causing still more HC icost ncreases.

Quite the dilemma, huh?

Sooner or later we might find the gravitas to really focus in the root cause of the problem.

The market really cannot fix that problem all by itself.

As should be obvious to those of you who have been paying attention to rising HC cost for the last 40 years or so.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOB0f3I1AXk]YouTube - Health Care[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does this not make you sick? Hillary said she was one, so does Obama.
YouTube - Matt Spalding on Progressivism's Assault on America's Founding
European socialism, brought to you buy, berry,hillary,harry and nancy. Enjoy it i you voted for it so why not enjoy it, we will beat your asses in 2012 for it though, so carry on you dumb fucks.

It doesn't look bad at all in Europe. They have a good quality of life.

"When the New Left emerged in the 1960s, something else was born that would mark American elites for decades thereafter: the notion that social-democratic Western Europe was far superior to the capitalist United States. For much of the American Left, Western Europe was nothing less than an abstract symbol of progressive utopia.

This rosy view was never accurate, of course. Europe’s socialized health care was blighted by outrageous (and sometimes deadly) waiting lists and rationing, to name just one example. To name another: Timbro, a Swedish think tank, found in 2004 that Sweden was poorer than all but five U.S. states and Denmark poorer than all but nine. But in recent years, something has happened to complicate the Left’s fanciful picture even further: Western European voters’ widespread reaction against social democracy."
Heirs to Fortuyn? by Bruce Bawer, City Journal Spring 2009

 

[P F Tinmore]

I was listening to three ham radio operators from Canada recently. They were all older people. One was 72 and was talking about his hip replacement. They discussed their health care for a while and all were happy with the services they received.