Proggress on Cold Fusion/LENR

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    This will hugely impact EVERYTHING, from space exploration to geopolitics to medicine and human longevity.
     
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    Very interesting but is it real is the question....
     
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    But, will it hugely impact Greece's debt crisis?
     
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    I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.

    I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
     
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    Not fast enough to keep Greece from dragging the EMU over the economic cliff.
     
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    From what little information I can get, it seems that these experiments are not done with any actual openness as to the exact contents of the device or any real explanation of how or why they are operating. That would lead me to believe that it is a gimmick and likely chemical, not nuclear. Admittedly, what I was looking at was specific to the cat and a little dated (mid 2011). Is there better, more open testing being done?
     
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    The MIT demo is totally open and part of a class there.

    And while Rossi is engaging in some secrecy and is guilty of some sloppiness for a bonafide experiment meant to pass peer review, he is trying to make a buck, not prove anything scientifically and the energy output and density of his results overwhelm his lack of tight tolerances and/or stored chemicals. He is deomnstrating some kind of nuclear fusion of some sort, apparently.

    He claims he will gain his validation through sales of his e-cat, but if he fails that will be seen as another black eye for LENR.

    But even with that black eye, the technology is clearly legit and the only question is how awesome and how soon it will be before we see it become ubiquitous.
     
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    If it works, it would be awesome. Cheap energy would help us in so many ways. Not the least of those ways would be to raise standards of living around the world. Comfortable, contented people are less likely to think about going to war, a boon to all of humankind.
     
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    Rossi's work is deliberately secretive/vague. The problem regarding this technology is it falls too closely to already patent ideas/formulas. He can not patent his work and was trying to get patent. What is ocurring has not been explained and there is a very real black sheep in the scientific community regarding this. Hopefully someone, probably independent from any govt. agency or scientific authority, will eventually identify the phenom and hopefully get it peer passed. Form a first hand knowledge, this does work. It's just not predictable yet and results vary and are hard to replicate over and over.
     
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    There are about a dozen possible theories but none are proven and toomany not disproven.

    It's sort of a take your pick what yo want to guess kind of thing, IMO.

    The undoubted facts are that energy is being produced somehow.

    What isnt known is if Dekaflon and Rossi are honest or scammers. In their defense they dont seem to be collecting any cash for all this. At least not yet.

    Maybe what they are doing will work, maybe it wont, but there is no rational doubt about LENR any more, IMO.
     

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