Privatized Prisons Don't Always Save Money

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    Policy Matters’ research was conducted by ex-Plain Dealer reporter Bob Paynter, a longtime investigation journalist who took the buyout bus in 2008. His mission was to examine whether or not the private prisons the state opened in 2000 really saved Ohioans at least 5 percent of what it would have cost the government to handle the work themselves, as the statute requires. Right now the government likes to say privatization has saved the state $45 million. But Paynter found out that the state’s work with a measuring stick has been spotty.

    Their methods for calculating the seemingly robust savings have changed substantially and, in some case, inexplicably over the last several biennia. A detailed examination of those calculations shows them not only to be riddled with errors, oversights and omissions of significant data, but also potentially tainted by controversial accounting assumptions that many experts consider deeply flawed

    In fact, revised calculations suggest that it may actually have cost taxpayers MORE to contract with a private vendor for operations at the Lake Erie Correctional Facility in Conneaut for fiscal years 2006 and 2007 than to have allowed the state to run it.

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    KY is in the same situation. The privatization of the prison system is actually costing more.
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    Cost + profits = Less than cost ???

    No wonder they found accounting flaws.
     
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    Privatized prisons are EVIL INCARNATE.

    They are without a doubt the DUMBEST THING a FREEDOM LOVING people can allow to happen.

    It doesn't surprise me one whit, that NEOCONS and their many spin off lunatics of the right APPROVE of them.

    They basically approve of everything that leads to turning people into SLAVES.

    And nothing says slave like FOR PROFIT PRISONS.
     
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    Yep it is just basically morally wrong.
     
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    We don't have PRISONS in the United States. If we were to go back to a PRISON system there wouldn't be this sort of problem. The last real PRISON in the US was on an island in San Francisco Bay. Until we go back to that sort of PRISON system, don't whine to me that you're losing money. Get rid of the Cable TV, the Gyms, the Libraries, the Educational facilities, etc.... That should make plenty of room for more gas chambers, electric chairs, or whatever execution facility a particular state uses. Once we stop allowing these places to be resorts for criminals and make them truly places of PUNISHMENT, the cost of them will come down significantly.
     
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    As a mostly conservative individual I think there is something very, very wrong with profiting from the incarceration of another person. I don't purport to have the answer, but this just feels wrong.

    I do however think these fucked up politically correct policies that make the costs/hassles prohibitive for government to run need to be seriously reviewed. Make them work for their keep, and if they won't, lock them up with no privileges at all.
     
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    Private prisons hire lobbyists to push for more laws requiring prison time and longer sentences for existing laws so they can suck more money out of the taxpayers. This extra cost is not figured into the "savings."

    California got suckered into the three strikes law and their prison cost is huge. I don't hear anyone complain about that cost when they talk about California's irresponsibility.
     
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    That's why we need to fix the laws.... Violent Criminals shouldn't go to jail. They should go to the Morgue. Quickly. Without undo excessive appeals and bureacratic red tape. That right there would create a massive savings in the system. Three strikes laws.... the third strike should be the same as the Violent Criminals. Additionally, keeping these animals locked in their cages 23 hours a day, without the "Rights" and "Privileges" that so many of them still get inside today would reduce costs.
     
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    It costs us thirty grand a year to keep someone in prison for smoking a joint on probation.

    That doesn't make any sense to me.

    A small minority of people are in prison for violent crimes.
     

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