Privatization works?

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    Aug 19, 4:01 PM EDT


    Arizona official: State didn't detect prison flaws

    By FELICIA FONSECA and PAUL DAVENPORT
    Associated Press Writers

    PHOENIX (AP) -- A privately operated Arizona prison where three inmates escaped last month, setting off a massive search, had poor operational practices that led to the unstaffing of a perimeter post, the state's prison director said Thursday.

    The state Corrections Department released a report on security at the Kingman prison Thursday.

    Numerous false alarms led to lax responses by prison personnel, Corrections Department Director Charles Ryan said. He also cited operational practices that led to a gap in permitted staffing during an evening when the July 30 escape occurred.

    The three escapees from the prison's medium-security unit included two convicted of murder. Two of the three convicts have been recaptured, and authorities have linked some of the escapees to the killing of an Oklahoma couple.

    Ryan said 148 inmates were being transferred to other prisons because of new restrictions on which inmates can be assigned to the Kingman facility, which has both minimum- and medium-security units.

    He said his department has accepted a security improvement plan by the facility's operator, Centerville, Utah-based Management & Training Corp.

    "This is a terrible tragedy, and the department and the contractor have a lot of work to do," Ryan said, referring to the killing of the Oklahoma couple linked to two of the escapees.

    The burned bodies of Greg and Linda Haas of Tecumseh, Okla., were found Aug. 4 on a remote ranch near Santa Rosa, N.M. They had been traveling to Colorado on an annual camping trip.

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    Now who is laible? The state or the private corporation?
     
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    As though entirely state-run prisons haven't had their problems?

    Since when did perfection become an option?
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CkltzGAxY]YouTube - A Bit of Fry and Laurie - Privatization of the Police Force[/ame]
     
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    I think if the private entity was negligent in the duties, they should be held legally liable. It can be sorted out in court. Very sad.

    I know Thousand Trails does nothing to enforce the 10mph no wake zone at my favorite camping spot now far from here. The end of the lake where the campground sits is off limits to fast boating. A bunch of us were not too well pleased to see jet skiers and water skiers there on my last camping trip. That part of the lake is only about a 10th of the lake. But, the forest service is absent because they've signed over administration of the campsite to Thousand Trails, and they don't care.
     
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    If anyone has questions on how privatized prisons have performed just google and do research.

    Strangely enough a private prison in eastern KY was housing prisoners from HI?
    How fair is that to the families of the prisoners and such?

    btw the private prison has since lost it's charter due to sexual improprieties by guards.
     
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    what's the escape percentage from government run prisons versus private? Second, who's been fired from private prisons versus federal ones for allowing mistakes. Can government employees be fired like this/for this? And what kind of operation costs do they have versus private management versus public? Are they as efficient?

    Your have created a false comparison and strawman argument unless you provide similar opposing data.
     
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    I don't understand why you are saying some of this, especially the "you have created a false comparison and strawman argument". He has not made ANY argument at all, and his only comparison was posed as a question. Since when does asking peoples opinions mean a declaration of aggression? uscitizen was just making a thread about this to open up the idea of comparing public and private prisons, don't accuse him of false comparison.

    Also, don't be a hypocrite by calling it a strawman argument (although it wasn't an argument in the first place). Your entire argument portion of your post was questions that you didn't answer, and you probably couldn't unless you are an expert on prison functions, in which case you should have stated so. Under the assumption that you don't know any more about the prison system in the U.S. than uscitizen I am accuseing your post of complete hypocrisy, bigotry (assuming an argument where there is none in this case), and down right ignorance. I won't accuse you personally of this because that would be presumptuous and would make me a bigot, however I WILL call you out on this foolish post you wrote.
     
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    Privatization never works.

    We should nationalize everything, starting with fast food. Every fast food restaurant should produce the same government-regulated burgers and fries.

    Next, we should nationalize cellular companies. Every American should have a government-spec cellphone, so that every American can finally purchase a reliable, functional cellphone.

    Last, but certainly not least, we need to nationalize the internet. Imagine just how much faster the internet would be, if Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the dozens of other bothersome sites were all replaced by a single federal search engine? Further, our patriotic regulators in Washington would ensure that Americans won't accidentally access illegal materials.
     
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    I also think it is interesting that the Governor's Chief of Staff used to by a lobbyist for a private prison company, and I believe his wife still is.
    When Arizona sold it's prisons, who do they sell them to? I have been meaning to look, but keep forgetting.
     

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