President Trump & Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment

[playtime]

it's crystal clear by his twitter tantrums that he has arrested development disorder, however 'regular' narcissism just doesn't cut it with that creature.

How to Recognize a Malignant Narcissist
The intentional destruction of others while pathologically loving self
Posted Feb 22, 2017

[...]
Malignant Narcissism

I want to explore with you the darker side of narcissistic personality disorder, where aggression, antisocial behaviors, and suspiciousness are as prominent as their poor sense of self, fragility, and egocentricity. (Below is a video clip that explores the symptoms of malignant narcissism.)

A person with malignant narcissism has the potential to destroy families, communities, nations, and work environments. This condition reflects a hybrid or blending of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Psychologist Eric Fromm termed the disorder in 1964. Psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg later delineated the symptoms of the condition and presented it as an intermediary between narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders.

Why is the behavior of malignant narcissism often considered dangerous?

Individuals with this profile can form connections with others. However, they process information in ways that can hurt society in general, but also the people who love or depend on them. Family, co-workers, employees, and others in their lives often have to walk on eggshells to appease a fragile ego and minimize the occurrence of their unstable, impulsive, or aggressive behaviors.

They lash out or humiliate others for infractions of even the most frivolous nature (for example, you gave an opinion that differed from theirs; you demonstrated confidence, and it made them look bad; you told a joke that involved poking fun at them).

For some, their grandiosity and protection of their fragile "true self" can be at such extreme levels that they will lie and give the impression that simply because they say it, that makes it reality. Many will become angered if their lies are challenged with truth or facts. Of course, this can create problems for the people close to them, as this pattern of behavior can easily veer into gaslighting.
[...]

How to Recognize a Malignant Narcissist

 

[Wry Catcher]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

 

[martybegan]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

Using it for political reasons is sure as hell a coup.

Your use of the letter of the amendment in no way makes it any less a coup if used purely for the political removal of Trump from office.

And cocksuckers like you deserve every ad hominem thrown at you.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

Continuous wishful thinking with no chance of actual occurrence is nothing more than fantastical obsession.

Quite a mental skew in itself.

 

[boedicca]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

 

[Wry Catcher]

it's crystal clear by his twitter tantrums that he has arrested development disorder, however 'regular' narcissism just doesn't cut it with that creature.

How to Recognize a Malignant Narcissist
The intentional destruction of others while pathologically loving self
Posted Feb 22, 2017

[...]
Malignant Narcissism

I want to explore with you the darker side of narcissistic personality disorder, where aggression, antisocial behaviors, and suspiciousness are as prominent as their poor sense of self, fragility, and egocentricity. (Below is a video clip that explores the symptoms of malignant narcissism.)

A person with malignant narcissism has the potential to destroy families, communities, nations, and work environments. This condition reflects a hybrid or blending of narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Psychologist Eric Fromm termed the disorder in 1964. Psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg later delineated the symptoms of the condition and presented it as an intermediary between narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders.

Why is the behavior of malignant narcissism often considered dangerous?

Individuals with this profile can form connections with others. However, they process information in ways that can hurt society in general, but also the people who love or depend on them. Family, co-workers, employees, and others in their lives often have to walk on eggshells to appease a fragile ego and minimize the occurrence of their unstable, impulsive, or aggressive behaviors.

They lash out or humiliate others for infractions of even the most frivolous nature (for example, you gave an opinion that differed from theirs; you demonstrated confidence, and it made them look bad; you told a joke that involved poking fun at them).

For some, their grandiosity and protection of their fragile "true self" can be at such extreme levels that they will lie and give the impression that simply because they say it, that makes it reality. Many will become angered if their lies are challenged with truth or facts. Of course, this can create problems for the people close to them, as this pattern of behavior can easily veer into gaslighting.
[...]

How to Recognize a Malignant Narcissist

Thanks, I finished grad school 25 years ago and have yet to peruse DSM-V. Thus my DSM-IV is behind current research.

Posting as I did the points in Cluster B, which needed to be ruled out by competent and unbiased professionals seems to be adequate for Pence and others to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment. Reading you link was most informative and enlightening for those who read it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

Off topic ^^^ though most pols will be characterized in this way, by those with biases.

I doubt very few exhibit the same extreme behaviors and actions taken by Trump since he began his quest to the White House. In my opinion he is unfit to hold the power given to him, and needs to be evaluated by professionals, before he does more damage to our nation and its people.

Of course I'm biased, I don't trust Trump and I've posted many times that I believe he is inept, incompetent, insincere and self serving.

I'm flabbergasted that any patriot supports him and defends him. His treatment of others is horrific, his promises hollow and his concern for others the definition of false pathos.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump's one and only crime and malfunction remains the schlonging he gave Hillary and the Dems on Nov 8th 2016

 

[boedicca]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

Off topic ^^^ though most pols will be characterized in this way, by those with biases.

I doubt very few exhibit the same extreme behaviors and actions taken by Trump since he began his quest to the White House. In my opinion he is unfit to hold the power given to him, and needs to be evaluated by professionals, before he does more damage to our nation and its people.

Of course I'm biased, I don't trust Trump and I've posted many times that I believe he is inept, incompetent, insincere and self serving.

I'm flabbergasted that any patriot supports him and defends him. His treatment of others is horrific, his promises hollow and his concern for others the definition of false pathos.

What is on topic is that these type of diagnoses are only valid based on qualified specialists examining the individual.

That hasn't happened; so all you are doing is maligning someone for political purposes.

 

[MindWars]

You must have missed the news that day.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

Continuous wishful thinking with no chance of actual occurrence is nothing more than fantastical obsession.

Quite a mental skew in itself.

I suppose you believe you are clairvoyant, or maybe Nostradamus reincarnated, or an agent provocateur for Putin.

Trump is inept, unfit and not capable of being and effective POTUS. Since his inauguration he has lied repeatedly, started fights and created enemies in the press, in the congress, his Administration, and in the general population; he has alienated our allies, provided aid and comfort to the Russians and no one in the past has created the chaos we have seen almost from day one of his presidency.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That Trump is unfit to be president is a fact settled, accepted, and beyond dispute, where his removal from office is warranted.

that you are unfit to be a poster here is a fact settled, accepted, and beyond dispute.....and you should not be allowed to start threads here....care to comment jones?....

 

[Wry Catcher]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

Off topic ^^^ though most pols will be characterized in this way, by those with biases.

I doubt very few exhibit the same extreme behaviors and actions taken by Trump since he began his quest to the White House. In my opinion he is unfit to hold the power given to him, and needs to be evaluated by professionals, before he does more damage to our nation and its people.

Of course I'm biased, I don't trust Trump and I've posted many times that I believe he is inept, incompetent, insincere and self serving.

I'm flabbergasted that any patriot supports him and defends him. His treatment of others is horrific, his promises hollow and his concern for others the definition of false pathos.

What is on topic is that these type of diagnoses are only valid based on qualified specialists examining the individual.

That hasn't happened; so all you are doing is maligning someone for political purposes.

Bullshit. Qualified professionals making this diagnosis rely on the records and interviews available form parents, siblings, spouse(s), teachers, Police and Probation Officers, Medical & Military records, Etc., and the behavior which is presented at the time of the referral.

Why do you post lies, and on matters of which you have no understanding?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

Continuous wishful thinking with no chance of actual occurrence is nothing more than fantastical obsession.

Quite a mental skew in itself.

I suppose you believe you are clairvoyant, or maybe Nostradamus reincarnated, or an agent provocateur for Putin.

I do pretty well in prescient mode actually, due to a fine education and an ability to make the obvious connections.

Trump is inept, unfit and not capable of being and effective POTUS.

I think he's just dreamy. He certainly has you people running around like proverbial headless chickens, has dismantled much of his predecessor's nonsense and is moving rapidly forward on issues in ways with which I agree.

Since his inauguration he has lied repeatedly, started fights and created enemies in the press, in the congress, his Administration, and in the general population

Ain't it grand? You realize, of course, that about a third of the colonists felt the same about the Founders? Those people supported the side that lost.

he has alienated our allies, provided aid and comfort to the Russians and no one in the past has created the chaos we have seen almost from day one of his presidency.

Our allies are often infected with the same idiocy as you people, sanctions are not aid and comfort and certainly killing 200-300 of Vladimir's Finest in one easy swat did not endear us, and the chaos created is frustration caused by the absence of Obama long and freely-offered ass.

The world got used to a certain way of things. That way is no more.

 

[boedicca]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

Off topic ^^^ though most pols will be characterized in this way, by those with biases.

I doubt very few exhibit the same extreme behaviors and actions taken by Trump since he began his quest to the White House. In my opinion he is unfit to hold the power given to him, and needs to be evaluated by professionals, before he does more damage to our nation and its people.

Of course I'm biased, I don't trust Trump and I've posted many times that I believe he is inept, incompetent, insincere and self serving.

I'm flabbergasted that any patriot supports him and defends him. His treatment of others is horrific, his promises hollow and his concern for others the definition of false pathos.

What is on topic is that these type of diagnoses are only valid based on qualified specialists examining the individual.

That hasn't happened; so all you are doing is maligning someone for political purposes.

Bullshit. Qualified professionals making this diagnosis rely on the records and interviews available form parents, siblings, spouse(s), teachers, Police and Probation Officers, Medical & Military records, Etc., and the behavior which is presented at the time of the referral.

Why do you post lies, and on matters of which you have no understanding?

This. And political opponents' spin isn't on your list of acceptable diagnostic sources.

Today, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) reiterates its continued and unwavering commitment to the ethical principle known as "The Goldwater Rule." We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.

APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry

 

[boedicca]

And this (which WC's hystrionics do support):

While each clause in Standard 9.01 offers concrete guidance to psychologists making diagnoses from whatever source, clause (b), which addresses situations "in which an examination is not practical," speaks directly to the limitations inherent in record reviews. Under clause (b), psychologists clarify the probable impact of their limited information and appropriately limit their conclusions. Psychologists rendering diagnostic opinions solely on the basis of a record review therefore think through and make explicit how the absence of an examination affects their conclusions--and limit their diagnostic statements accordingly. Note how, through its limiting language, clause (b) emphasizes the centrality of an examination in the diagnostic process.

Ethics Rounds--Diagnoses, record reviews and the new Ethics Code

 

[eagle1462010]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

Many of these apply to Bubba Clinton, hiLIARy Clinton and Barack Obabble.

Just sayin'.

Off topic ^^^ though most pols will be characterized in this way, by those with biases.

I doubt very few exhibit the same extreme behaviors and actions taken by Trump since he began his quest to the White House. In my opinion he is unfit to hold the power given to him, and needs to be evaluated by professionals, before he does more damage to our nation and its people.

Of course I'm biased, I don't trust Trump and I've posted many times that I believe he is inept, incompetent, insincere and self serving.

I'm flabbergasted that any patriot supports him and defends him. His treatment of others is horrific, his promises hollow and his concern for others the definition of false pathos.

What is on topic is that these type of diagnoses are only valid based on qualified specialists examining the individual.

That hasn't happened; so all you are doing is maligning someone for political purposes.

Bullshit. Qualified professionals making this diagnosis rely on the records and interviews available form parents, siblings, spouse(s), teachers, Police and Probation Officers, Medical & Military records, Etc., and the behavior which is presented at the time of the referral.

Why do you post lies, and on matters of which you have no understanding?

 

[MrShangles]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

What part of Constitution has he not protected?



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[Bruce_T_Laney]

IMO, Trump manifests Cluster B Personality Disorders, thus, he feels he does not need to prepare himself for tasks he is not familiar with, he actually believes he can con everyone; he will continue these behaviors, until the day he leaves office, to believe he can outsmart or destroy those who dare to challenge him. Below Are characteristics which may describe Trump's behavior as President, during the campaign, when seeking the nomination and during his years as a real estate/casino owner.

301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder (PD):

• Aggression against people
• Often starts fights
• Uses power against others
• Showed Cruelty to people
• Force sex upon someone

301.50 Histrionic P.D.

• Discomfort when not the center of attention
• Relationships often fraught with inappropraite seductive or sexually provocative behavior
• Expressions of emotions that are shallow (false pathos)
• Speech which is vague and lacks detail (Crooked Hillary)
• Overly Dramatic
• Easily suggestible

301.81 Narcissistic P.D.

• Grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, power or limitless success
• Believe that personal uniqueness renders him fit only for associations with people or institutions of rarefied status
• Need for excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement, expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of his own wishes.

Those who watch Trump, listen to his words and read his tweets may agree with this assessment of The President. Those who do not are fully free to offer a rebuttal

George H.W. Bush was the last fit President and before him Ford ans before hin Ike.

What is my point?

Most that win the Oval are never fit to lead and what we get stuck with is a egotistical maniac that believe they can lead.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Clearly I posted No. My reasons for doing so are listed in the OP, I believe, based on my education and experience, President Trump's behavior is unfit for, and he is incapable of adhering to the oath of office of the President of The United States:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I also believe The President is being protected by the Sessions (AG), Rep. Nunes (chairman of the Intelligence committee), and especially the VP and The Speaker of the House, both who have the power to invoke Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment to COTUS

And I believe you need to add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.

You are trying to use mechanism designed to remove a president due to real mental defect or something like a heart attack that puts them in a coma to remove a legally elected sitting president for purely political reasons.

It would be nothing more than a coup, and that you would support something of that nature shows what a fascist prick you are.

Sec. 4, to Wit:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

"Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]"

Furthermore, Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 of the Constitution states:

"In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

I don't wear a hat, and if I did it would not require tin foil. The facts lay out due process, your use of the word coup is incorrect, and your inclusion of two personal attacks (ad hominems) are the product of someone incapable of writing a rebuttal to any of my posts on this thread.

Continuous wishful thinking with no chance of actual occurrence is nothing more than fantastical obsession.

Quite a mental skew in itself.

I suppose you believe you are clairvoyant, or maybe Nostradamus reincarnated, or an agent provocateur for Putin.

I do pretty well in prescient mode actually, due to a fine education and an ability to make the obvious connections.

Trump is inept, unfit and not capable of being and effective POTUS.

I think he's just dreamy. He certainly has you people running around like proverbial headless chickens, has dismantled much of his predecessor's nonsense and is moving rapidly forward on issues in ways with which I agree.

Since his inauguration he has lied repeatedly, started fights and created enemies in the press, in the congress, his Administration, and in the general population

Ain't it grand? You realize, of course, that about a third of the colonists felt the same about the Founders? Those people supported the side that lost.

he has alienated our allies, provided aid and comfort to the Russians and no one in the past has created the chaos we have seen almost from day one of his presidency.

Our allies are often infected with the same idiocy as you people, sanctions are not aid and comfort and certainly killing 200-300 of Vladimir's Finest in one easy swat did not endear us, and the chaos created is frustration caused by the absence of Obama long and freely-offered ass.

The world got used to a certain way of things. That way is no more.

Since you do well in predicting the future, tell us who will win the 2018 World Series.

Your effort to spin my comments is laudable, sad that you used square bearings and it won't turn.