President Trump announces new tariffs: 25% for steel, 10% for aluminum

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    Coal jobs are high-paying jobs? According to whom? Aren't coal miners in Appalachia among the poorest in the country? In fact, in coal-mining Kentucky, most white workers are on some kind of welfare. The county with the highest number of people on SNAP is in coal country. And yes, you can say coal is dead if it is dying. Which it is. It's also not coming back.


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    From Apple Insider:
    Growth in the U.S. solar installation industry has benefited by rapidly falling prices in solar panels from China. American solar manufacturers have fallen behind in technology and production capacity because the U.S. hasn't invested in domestic solar research, development and production--just as it hasn't invested in manufacturing or training specialized tool and die workers and other critical components of the manufacturing supply chain--in the way China enthusiastically has. Much of the new research in solar technology has also been funded in Germany, which Wilkie said holds the majority of patents.

    As a result, American firms can't compete in building inferior solar panels domestically, and can't even import foreign components to assemble panels in the U.S. due to the Drumpf tariffs covering anything related to solar.


    Without trade deals, there are no intellectual property protections or enforcement. So what happens is places like China pirate that stuff and end up producing their own knock-off goods that they then flood the market. That's why pulling out of TPP was the stupidest idea in the world; you've ceded intellectual property to China's pirates.


    Not what I said! You're doing that shitty Conservative thing again where you deliberately misstate and mis-understand what I said in order to make a bullshit argument. Jobs aren't being lost to outsourcing, they're being lost to robots. That's the reality of today. Whether or not you want to believe it doesn't matter because it's happening regardless of your feelings. So unless you have a plan for automation, any jobs policy you think you have is just reactionary bullshit and not a long-term strategy.


    Automation is the factor here. It's not one on the same level as the others; it is the predominant one and the one that is causing the most downsizing. To pretend that a Chinese worker is taking an American's job is to believe in nationalistic nonsense. China isn't taking our jobs; robots are. That's a fact of life for most manufacturing workers here in the US. Automation has killed more jobs than outsourcing ever will or ever has.


    I'm not defending the status quo, so this is just another straw man on your part. I'm being realistic; the reality is that businesses aren't cutting American jobs due to outsourcing; they're cutting American jobs because of automation. And you can see that in person if you go to any grocery store that has self-checkout.
     
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    Bullshit...
    Open borders
    Off-Shoring
    Business Visas
     
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    Isn't Japan the country that you Conservative morons hold up as an example of government socialism failing because of the debt load it incurred during the 90's?

    What economic policies are you even talking about? None.



    Japan became a first world nation by government investing in its domestic industries.

    Like I said before; you know less than nothing about this subject.
     
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    You call yourself a human being when you're clearly not. So what do you care how someone else self-identifies?
     
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    Japan protects it’s workforce and exports quality products.
     
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    1. Open borders? Huh? We don't have open borders. In fact, Trump imports workers to work at his domestic resorts, then is not held accountable for when those workers overstay their visas.

    2. Off-shoring is a thing of the past; automation is what is costing manufacturing jobs. No amount of protectionism is going to stop increased automation.

    3. Visas like those Trump uses to import foreigners to work at his Florida resort. Why doesn't he hire Americans? Oh right, becuase then he'd have to pay them a decent wage and provide benefits. So great, so you've established that capitalism is a system that is fundamentally unable to provide an adequate standard of living to the working class.
     
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    Japan invests in Japanese companies....sure they purchase them.
    The Japanese government owns a massive amount of Japanese companies
    You may want to read your own links...dumbass.
     
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    Hey stupid, how is what you said any different from what I said?

    You Conservatives do that a lot; you try to capture something someone else said and represent it as you saying it. That's because you're garbage people.
     
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    We don’t have Open Borders?
    My co-worker’s cousin is a border guard...we have open borders as there is zip man power in comparison to area.

    No off-shoring?
    You’re right...the US has alreay off-shored the shit out of itself.

    No Visas?
    You’re f*ing high.

    Trump hired 300 visas for 3 months.

    Please don’t tell me you suck the cocks of the tech giants.
    There are currently 3,000,000 BVs in the US and corporate America is demanding at least 500,000 more per year
    Save your bullshit for someone who doesn’t know what’s going on.
     

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