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Bull shit. I have sold guns in the not too distant past and bought guns recently, unrestricted from friends and friends of friends. No background check, no waiting period, no report to the government.
You need to educate yourself.
Are you denying that the government, at any level, does not have the right to restrict gun sales? The Supreme Court disagrees.
That isn't the point. The point is that I'm against that part of obama's proposals because it erodes my liberties. You asked and I answered.
It's not a case of them not already doing it. They are. It's a case of doing it better.
What's wrong with that?
How, exactly, are they going to be "doing it better?" Law enforcement already lists everyone who is prohibited from buying guns with the database, just not all the classified information that puts people on that list. They aren't going to start sharing classified data, so that is not going to get better. Law enforcement already tracks every gun recovered from a crime scene, how is Obama going to make that better?
Details, or admit you are just blowing smoke because you whore for Obama.
Actually, a lot of information relevant to the database is not being reported and, in some instances, legally can't be. The data is incomplete and President is looking for ways to improve its performance.
Background check system for guns deeply flawed - latimes.com
Strawman argument.
I want the right to sell a gun or buy a gun without the government interfering.
You don't have that unrestricted right and haven't for a long time. That's a well and often settled Constitutional issue. You're essentially demanding a right you've never had.
It is a settled legal issue, it is no longer settled constitutionally.
I didn't say it was right, I said it was the only thing that made sense. Where did you get the idea that the CDC was directed to study guns only? I don't get that from the version presented.
Did you miss the words "gun violence" in the subject line of the memo?
No, but "gun violence" has two words in it. I came away from it thinking that the CDC was going to study what makes these people do the things they do. Now, why the CDC? I don't know except to say that obama is an idiot.
Actually, that is the worst thing in all of his proposals. The first thing wrong with this is that the CDC studies disease, guns are not a disease. If they try to apply vector control logic to gun violence they will end up calling for a ban on guns because guns are the only common factor in all episodes of gun violence. Going into a study with a foregone conclusion is nothing more than propaganda.
Who else is positioned to do it? And, who said there is a foregone conclusion?
Who else is positioned to study violent crime? Seriously? Ever here of the field of criminology? What federal agency has more criminologists, the Justice Department or the Center for Disease Control?
As for who said there is a foregone conclusion, that was me.
How, exactly, are they going to be "doing it better?" Law enforcement already lists everyone who is prohibited from buying guns with the database, just not all the classified information that puts people on that list. They aren't going to start sharing classified data, so that is not going to get better. Law enforcement already tracks every gun recovered from a crime scene, how is Obama going to make that better?
Details, or admit you are just blowing smoke because you whore for Obama.
Actually, a lot of information relevant to the database is not being reported and, in some instances, legally can't be. The data is incomplete and President is looking for ways to improve its performance.
Background check system for guns deeply flawed - latimes.com
The article claims the federal government is breaking the law, and a memo is supposed to fix that? Want to try that one again? Are you aware that the DoD has never actually won a case against a person that challenged it based on drug tests alone? Are you also aware that federal law actually requires due process before restricting someone's rights?
Seriously, dude, you are an idiot.
You don't have that unrestricted right and haven't for a long time. That's a well and often settled Constitutional issue. You're essentially demanding a right you've never had.
It is a settled legal issue, it is no longer settled constitutionally.
Yes, it is a settled Constitutional issue. All we're talking about now is expanding the legal issue, not eliminating it altogether.
Who else is positioned to do it? And, who said there is a foregone conclusion?
Who else is positioned to study violent crime? Seriously? Ever here of the field of criminology? What federal agency has more criminologists, the Justice Department or the Center for Disease Control?
As for who said there is a foregone conclusion, that was me.
Well....I guess if you'd RATHER have Eric Holder looking into it, that would be alright with me. Are you sure you want that?
Actually, a lot of information relevant to the database is not being reported and, in some instances, legally can't be. The data is incomplete and President is looking for ways to improve its performance.
Background check system for guns deeply flawed - latimes.com
The article claims the federal government is breaking the law, and a memo is supposed to fix that? Want to try that one again? Are you aware that the DoD has never actually won a case against a person that challenged it based on drug tests alone? Are you also aware that federal law actually requires due process before restricting someone's rights?
Seriously, dude, you are an idiot.
So, since the system is broken, the President and the rest of us should just accept that and make no efforts to fix it?
By the way, do you know what due process is?
Did you miss the words "gun violence" in the subject line of the memo?
No, but "gun violence" has two words in it. I came away from it thinking that the CDC was going to study what makes these people do the things they do. Now, why the CDC? I don't know except to say that obama is an idiot.
They are directed to find the common link in gun violence, guess what they will conclude when there are people that kill because they are crazy, and others that kill because they have a really good reason that makes sense to anyone, and still others that do it because they are angry.
It is a settled legal issue, it is no longer settled constitutionally.
Yes, it is a settled Constitutional issue. All we're talking about now is expanding the legal issue, not eliminating it altogether.
Heller said that everyone has a right to keep and bear arms. Until that decision passed Washington DC absolutely prohibited gun ownership, and had won every challenge to that law in court.
Pay attention, idiot.
Are you denying that the government, at any level, does not have the right to restrict gun sales? The Supreme Court disagrees.
That isn't the point. The point is that I'm against that part of obama's proposals because it erodes my liberties. You asked and I answered.
How does it erode your liberties any more than existing law erodes the liberties of licensed gun merchants?
How is it fair to them if you can sell to anyone you like and they can't?
How is it in the interest of public safety if others like you, but not so diligent, can sell to anyone they like, even convicted felons and gangbangers?
Did you miss the words "gun violence" in the subject line of the memo?
No, but "gun violence" has two words in it. I came away from it thinking that the CDC was going to study what makes these people do the things they do. Now, why the CDC? I don't know except to say that obama is an idiot.
They are directed to find the common link in gun violence, guess what they will conclude when there are people that kill because they are crazy, and others that kill because they have a really good reason that makes sense to anyone, and still others that do it because they are angry.
No, but "gun violence" has two words in it. I came away from it thinking that the CDC was going to study what makes these people do the things they do. Now, why the CDC? I don't know except to say that obama is an idiot.
They are directed to find the common link in gun violence, guess what they will conclude when there are people that kill because they are crazy, and others that kill because they have a really good reason that makes sense to anyone, and still others that do it because they are angry.
I don't know what they'll conclude and neither to you. It's just speculation. Why don't we wait and see what they say?
Yes, it is a settled Constitutional issue. All we're talking about now is expanding the legal issue, not eliminating it altogether.
Heller said that everyone has a right to keep and bear arms. Until that decision passed Washington DC absolutely prohibited gun ownership, and had won every challenge to that law in court.
Pay attention, idiot.
From the Heller decision:
2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 5456.
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER
Pay attention, friend.
They are directed to find the common link in gun violence, guess what they will conclude when there are people that kill because they are crazy, and others that kill because they have a really good reason that makes sense to anyone, and still others that do it because they are angry.
I don't know what they'll conclude and neither to you. It's just speculation. Why don't we wait and see what they say?
Want to bet with me that they will conclude we need to do something about guns? Or do you prefer to pretend to be an idiot?
No, but "gun violence" has two words in it. I came away from it thinking that the CDC was going to study what makes these people do the things they do. Now, why the CDC? I don't know except to say that obama is an idiot.
They are directed to find the common link in gun violence, guess what they will conclude when there are people that kill because they are crazy, and others that kill because they have a really good reason that makes sense to anyone, and still others that do it because they are angry.
I don't see where it says that at all. It says that they are sippused to find the "causes" of gun violence. Says that twice in there. Not once could I find where it says "common link".
I don't know what they'll conclude and neither to you. It's just speculation. Why don't we wait and see what they say?
Want to bet with me that they will conclude we need to do something about guns? Or do you prefer to pretend to be an idiot?
I don't bet. And, certainly not on something foolish.
