Preach the Truth about Islam and Fear for Your life

[Neser Boha]

for a guy whose messiah was a dude who hung out with 12 dudes in love with the body of christ.. uh, do you really want to point fingers about gay preists, short fry?


hell, given how much David loved Johnathan like a woman it looks like your theological insight is about as bright as a broken bulb!

I'm sorry... guilty pleasure...

 

[Father Time]

By 2025 the Muslims will be the majority in Europe, in Canada by 2030, the USA will fall in 2033. These are accuarial facts.

Source?

 

[Kalam]

pretty tough for more Muslims to become educated when large sections of the population is Islamic countries are unable to learn to read.

I agree.

My point, though, was that education seems to be improving in the majority of these countries and that this will doubtlessly lead to populations that are more able to think critically and for themselves.

Personally, i have no need for religion, and zealots from all religions reinforce this attitude daily.

I think you'll find that there are a significant number of atheistic zealots as well.

I have never met more intolerant and close minded people as those that follow a life dictated by religious dogma.

I believe that intolerance and closed-mindedness are more heavily correlated with feelings of self-righteousness and lack of intelligence/maturity than they are with religious belief. The existence of numerous intolerant, closed-minded atheists as well as intolerant and closed-minded theists seems to support this.

 

[Skull Pilot]

pretty tough for more Muslims to become educated when large sections of the population is Islamic countries are unable to learn to read.

Personally, i have no need for religion, and zealots from all religions reinforce this attitude daily.

I have never met more intolerant and close minded people as those that follow a life dictated by religious dogma.

I have. They would be the ones who are militant athiests.

Atheism is their dogma....no different than the bible, torah or quran.

 

[Avatar4321]

By 2025 the Muslims will be the majority in Europe, in Canada by 2030, the USA will fall in 2033. These are accuarial facts.

They aren't accuarial facts, they arent even accurate facts. Hell they aren't facts at all. They are presumptions you are making. But your presumtion is based on the idea that everything that is going on now will still be going on then. Rates will be the same. Growths, declines. etc. At no point in history has growth/decline rates ever been the sae one second than the next. Its a ridiculous assumption.

What happens if we have wars and global conflicts destroying the population?

What happens if we see pestilence and plague at an unimaginable scale that affects population?

What happens if peace and freedom break out across the world and being now free to worship as they choose, people choose something else?

What happens if the Lord decides to send Apostles to preach to the people with power and converts millions?

What happens if militant athiests/communists/socialists/(insert whatever you want here) decide to commit mass genocide and while out all religious people? Or just muslims?

Seriously, Michael Jackson has a better chance of becoming Pope than your "facts" do of being accurate.

 

[Neser Boha]

I believe that intolerance and closed-mindedness are more heavily correlated with feelings of self-righteousness and lack of intelligence/maturity than they are with religious belief. The existence of numerous intolerant, closed-minded atheists as well as intolerant and closed-minded theists seems to support this.

You know... I'm quite the atheist myself... definitely not the zealous militant kind by any stretch of imagination, however, I've been finding myself more and more often thinking rather negatively of religions in general and what I call 'religious freaks' that are most easily found - at least in my own experience - down south in Southern US (haven't travelled though middle east, so have no clue)... Anywho... the point is... I agree totally and wholeheartedly with your statement above... you put it very well. However, I still believe that the self-righteous and close-minded intolerance is much more common among religious people - especially ze freaks(read extremists) - than among any amount of atheists - no number supporting my claim here, just pure old-fashioned personal experience. But then, I may be wrong... of course.

But still, thank you for this post... wise words.

 

[Father Time]

atheists are not communists/socialists you fool.

"Seriously, Michael Jackson has a better chance of becoming Pope than your "facts" do of being accurate."

It's not entirely impossible, the Catholics need tips on how to cover up their err fetishes.

Although Jackson as Pope conjures up so many funny images.

 

[Kalam]

You know... I'm quite the atheist myself... definitely not the zealous militant kind by any stretch of imagination, however, I've been finding myself more and more often thinking rather negatively of religions in general and what I call 'religious freaks' that are most easily found - at least in my own experience - down south in Southern US (haven't travelled though middle east, so have no clue)... Anywho... the point is... I agree totally and wholeheartedly with your statement above... you put it very well. However, I still believe that the self-righteous and close-minded intolerance is much more common among religious people - especially ze freaks(read extremists) - than among any amount of atheists - no number supporting my claim here, just pure old-fashioned personal experience. But then, I may be wrong... of course.

But still, thank you for this post... wise words.

Thanks!

I agree that those negative attributes are probably more common among religious people today. After all, if I recall correctly, most uneducated people are religious. I don't think that being religious necessarily makes you more likely to be self-righteous and intolerant, though.

WRT the Southern US, I've lived here my entire life and rarely leave, so I don't really have an accurate perspective on religiosity down here compared to other parts of the US.

 

[Neser Boha]

Thanks!

I agree that those negative attributes are probably more common among religious people today. After all, if I recall correctly, most uneducated people are religious. I don't think that being religious necessarily makes you more likely to be self-righteous and intolerant, though.

WRT the Southern US, I've lived here my entire life and rarely leave, so I don't really have an accurate perspective on religiosity down here compared to other parts of the US.

Yeah, south is pretty darn special in that regard... I'm comparing it more to Europe than the rest of US though...

PS: Btw, if you wanna post a link before you reach the certain number of posts do blahblah[dot]blah and the ones interested in it will find it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

for a guy whose messiah was a dude who hung out with 12 dudes in love with the body of christ.. uh, do you really want to point fingers about gay preists, short fry?


hell, given how much David loved Johnathan like a woman it looks like your theological insight is about as bright as a broken bulb!

Hey.......Shit Gun........ya never read my tagline on my avatar did ya?

Taoists aren't Christians, and, besides, Yeshua (Jesus) was supposed to be the Messiah for the Jews, only, he didn't fulfill all the prophecies because they crucified Him before He could complete them.

What are you? Just another pimple on the ass of USMB? Like I said, at one time you were a decent poster, now, you're just a lame asshole.

 

[GHook93]

By 2025 the Muslims will be the majority in Europe, in Canada by 2030, the USA will fall in 2033. These are accuarial facts.

They aren't accuarial facts, they arent even accurate facts. Hell they aren't facts at all. They are presumptions you are making. But your presumtion is based on the idea that everything that is going on now will still be going on then. Rates will be the same. Growths, declines. etc. At no point in history has growth/decline rates ever been the sae one second than the next. Its a ridiculous assumption.

What happens if we have wars and global conflicts destroying the population?

What happens if we see pestilence and plague at an unimaginable scale that affects population?

What happens if peace and freedom break out across the world and being now free to worship as they choose, people choose something else?

What happens if the Lord decides to send Apostles to preach to the people with power and converts millions?

What happens if militant athiests/communists/socialists/(insert whatever you want here) decide to commit mass genocide and while out all religious people? Or just muslims?

Seriously, Michael Jackson has a better chance of becoming Pope than your "facts" do of being accurate.

I agree they are not facts at all, but the trends in at least Europe are leading into that directions. When America gets illegal immigrants its primarily from Mexico. When Europe gets illegal immigrants, they primarily gets North African, Pakistani, Afghani, Turkish and Middle Eastern Muslims. Same with their legal immigrants. Now the birth rate amongst White European is actually decreasing to replace the amount dying. The Muslim population is actually growning by leaps and bounds! What is the fastest growing religion for conversions in Europe? Islam. Take France right now its 10-12% Muslim, with a total population of 65 million. Therefore the Muslim population is between 6.5-7.8 Say the French White population is around then 53-56 million. If trends keep up in 15 years the balance could be 30 mil to 50 mil. I doubt we will see in our lifetime a Muslim Europe, but anything is possible.

Now the left and the Islamist have a very unholy alliance. The Europe white leftist protect the Islamist. This will allow for increased immigration and increase Islamist activities.

I also believe the Netherlands is close to 8-10% of its 16 mil. In reality, there is no way Muslims will be the majority in any European country by 2025. 2050 is a different story, but really only France, Spain and the Netherlands are in danger of that.


Russia is the real one you have to worry about! Right now Muslims make up 20-25% of the Russian population! The White Russia population via birth rate vs death rate has been in decline for many many years. While the Muslim birth rate vs death rate has been growing 10 fold! Immigrants to Russia are primarily from Islamic countries, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan etc. If the trend keeps up the Russia will be a majority Islamic country by 2025! Still a big if though!

Analyst Predicts Muslim Majority in Russia Within 30 Years

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know......one of the strangest things I had to do while I was traveling in the Middle East......

Every time you heard the call for prayer, if you were American, we were told that we HAD to be inside for the 30 min. that we heard the imam calling the prayers.

If you didn't? You were subject to beatings with canes from the religious police, or worse, they could throw you in jail.

And, the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement), was pretty difficult to use to get you back.

So, how is that a "peaceful religion"?

 

[auditor0007]

You know......one of the strangest things I had to do while I was traveling in the Middle East......

Every time you heard the call for prayer, if you were American, we were told that we HAD to be inside for the 30 min. that we heard the imam calling the prayers.

If you didn't? You were subject to beatings with canes from the religious police, or worse, they could throw you in jail.

And, the SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement), was pretty difficult to use to get you back.

So, how is that a "peaceful religion"?

It isn't, lol, and anyone who doesn't understand that is brain dead. The entire purpose of the religion is to force conversion, or make non-believers secondary citizens. In countries where Sharia Law is not the law of the land, the leftists continue to enable these people to gain more power as they use existing laws against the democratic state. Once they become the majority, then they try to replace existing democratic law with Sharia Law.

 

[Kalam]

So, how is that a "peaceful religion"?

Repressive gulf monarchies aren't representative of the entire religion.

 

[Kalam]

It isn't, lol, and anyone who doesn't understand that is brain dead. The entire purpose of the religion is to force conversion,

Forced conversions are specifically prohibited in the Qur'an. Consequently, you won't find a single example of a forced conversion carried out by Muslims during the messenger's lifetime.

or make non-believers secondary citizens.

The single ayah in the Qur'an that discussed subjugation of non-Muslims presumably referred to the Christian Byzantines who sought to forcibly eradicate Islam. Their is no true Qur'anic justification for the subjugation of non-Muslims, as that practice would blatantly violate other Qur'anic commandments and principles.

In countries where Sharia Law is not the law of the land, the leftists continue to enable these people to gain more power as they use existing laws against the democratic state. Once they become the majority, then they try to replace existing democratic law with Sharia Law.

Baseless conspiracy theories.

 

[Neser Boha]

After all I've read so far, only Kalam's posts ring of intelligence and intellect, the rest of you lot are just venting your frustrations while having only a slight to no idea of what you're really talking about. While I understand the sentiment - after all we've witnessed especially lately.... it's not the right way to go about it. I've experienced being yelled at by some crazy Baptist religious freaks that I will burn in hell if I don't convert to Christianity (or accept Jesus Christ, just different wordage) and that doesn't make me think that all of GA is full of religious freaks...

Consider this... Poland... very religious country... why? Not only historically, but also because religion was used as the MAIN way to OPPOSE the OPPRESSIVE establishment (Commies)... At the same time, in Czech Republic that is culturally very similar to Poland, religion was basically pushed away by Czech citizens and different ways developed to oppose the government.

I posit that you have similar cases in Middle East as well (but we should refrain equating Islam to Middle East - there are many Christians and obviously Jews in the Middle East, don't forget that there is Islam in Asia and Africa also).... After the US helped to install the Shah in Iran, the Iranians responded by supporting their religious leaders - which was later on used and abused by the idiots currently in power in Iran. However, for example the government in Egypt is strongly secularist and has been fighting against the neo-Islamists.... Saddam was a strictly secular leader and a US-supported dictator (up to a point, yeah - CIA calls it a 'blowback'), Afghanistan... the rise of Taliban can be directly attributed to the Cold war struggle between US (supporting mujahadeen, who were Islamic crazies) and Soviets.... before that, Afghan women drove cars and went to universities (if ya didn't know that)... Saudi Arabia = authoritarian establishment. And so on, etc.

What am I trying to say? LOOK AT the history, the internal and external influences and mainly - THE REGIMES, not at the religion (at least don't focus so damn much on it!). Religion, as any PolSci student knows - or should know if he or she has learned ANYTHING at all - is and has always been used as ways of population control... it's mainly an instrument when in hands of authoritarian leaders. (Btw, this shouldn't be so unfamiliar to Americans - Neoconservatives are well known to have highly instrumental approach to religion themselves).

Yeah, extremely simplistic my explanation above is, but it makes more sense than what's been so far said on the topic - except what Kalam has said.

 

[ABikerSailor]

So, how is that a "peaceful religion"?

Repressive gulf monarchies aren't representative of the entire religion.

Really? Then can you please explain why Saudi Arabia is regarded by muslims like Catholics regard Rome? It's the seat of their religion.

Nope......try again.

 

[Kalam]

Really? Then can you please explain why Saudi Arabia is regarded by muslims like Catholics regard Rome?

It isn't...

The holy city of Islam is Mecca. Mecca happens to be in modern-day Saudi Arabia. That doesn't necessarily mean that all Muslims support the Saudi government. The Vatican is in Italy... did all Catholics support Mussolini and the Blackshirts during World War II simply because they were the government of Italy?

Nope......try again.

No thanks...

 

[Yukon]

"...like Catholics regard Rome? It's the seat of (all) religion..."

Rome is the seat of GOD, if you do not following the teaching of the Pope you re doomed to burn in hell for eternity. The POPE is all knowing, He is God's messenger on earth. Believe in the POPE and have life everlasting.

 

[Father Time]

"...like Catholics regard Rome? It's the seat of (all) religion..."

Rome is the seat of GOD, if you do not following the teaching of the Pope you re doomed to burn in hell for eternity. The POPE is all knowing, He is God's messenger on earth. Believe in the POPE and have life everlasting.

He's all knowing? Does that mean he was all knowing before he became Pope and if not how did he become all-knowing?

Is the Vatican hiding something from us?