Power Struggles in Baghdad and Beyond Mean Opportunities for Iraq’s Kurds

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    Its really a shame how this all worked out, the dumb Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians and Turks got all the land and the Kurds got left out, that isn't right.
     
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    Kurdistani4ever Kurdistan is my homeland

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    That's the price, you will have to pay, for being peaceful. What's even worse is the mentality of our enemies. If Hamas or Hizbullah kills civillians, they are freedom fighters. But if the PKK kills soldiers only, they are terrorists.
    If we ask people like "Ekrem" on why kurds can't have independence, then they will never answer, cuz they can't come up with just one good reason.
     
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    The Turks, Arabs and Persians just don't want to give up any land.
     
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    High_Gravity, Kurdistani4ever, et al,

    All these survivable organizations evolve. The PKK (Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan) is no exception. But you have to remember that, in terms of most of the Region, the PKK is considered a "Turkish" focus, and not an Iraqi Kurdistan focus. If anything, the PKK may actually ruin it for the Kurdistan developments made in Iraq.

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    This last statement {The Turks, Arabs and Persians just don't want to give up any land.} is extremely important to assimilate. From a Turk and Iranian (even Syria of that matter) standpoint, the Kurds that want to enforce a near Century old failed promise (Treaty of 1920) are armed rebel separatists.

    The word "terrorist" is highly over used and is not always applicable in a universal sense. In the case of the PKK (alla the Orwellian 1984) has not accepted the the reality of the 21st Century. It remains to be seen how the PKK/KADEK/Kongra-Gel (multifaceted) are approached and if they are fully integrated with the Kurdistan Regional Government in Erbil, Iraq; or if the various factions breakout into an internal conflict for power; or become separate states.

    In any event, I believe our friend "High_Gravity" is right on the money. The Kurds think they are due a homeland and the countries involved want to keep their holdings. It is a region wide problem.

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    Kurdistani4ever Kurdistan is my homeland

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    Those countries won't last for much longer. Our only real problem is Turkey, since they are protected by Nato. But kurds still form an extremely high number of population, in the turkish occupied Northern Kurdistan and even some turkish regions. Istanbul as an example has a population of around 12 million. Out of those 12 million, 4 million are kurds. So we form a very large minority.
    If turks really think, they can hold on to these nationalistic people, then they are the only ones living in a dreamworld.
    The future of the Middle east will look like this:
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    Keep in mind that the map of Kurdistan is really bad drawn, as it includes land, that isn't ours, and also excludes alot of land that is. But it gives a good impression on where kurds live.

    Here's a more precise map of Kurdistan, which is where kurds live:
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    And yet they want the already tiny Israel, to give up on all of their lands. Yea, they won't give any land, we will have to take it back by force!
     
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    Kurdistani4ever, et al,

    This is not going to happen in our lifetime.

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    It is exactly this kind of talk and this kind of dream that will cause the greater region to turn against the Kurd. Just as the Kurds thinks that they are an entitled tribe, so it is that there are other regional ethnic groups that think they are just as entitled. And they control much of the land.

    It is fair to say that the Western Alliances will not have much to do with the final shape of the land. They cannot communicate, negotiate or mediate, very well with these various ethnic cultures, and they are being bled dry of funding, treasure and patience. Every time they act in the greater interest, some subculture turns the settlement into a diabolical mess and bite them. At some point, the Western World will wash their hands of the mess and let the regional ethnic tribes and rivals sort it out for themselves; even if it means genocide at some level.

    So, in the end, the region will turn violent, from the inside, and there will be cultural conflicts that will attempt to eliminate the rivals. Some cultures will survive, while others will be suffer a very heavy attrition. But the dream will be lost.

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    We have been going through hell for the last century. See that was the price of being peaceful, and we will not commit the same mistake again, now that we have once again gained the chance of greater independence. This time there will be no peaceful talks, in which all of our enemies will end up, betraying us. We will not sit silent, and wait for another million kurds to be killed.

    We have an advantage, over our enemies. We're the only ethnic group on our lands. Persians arrived from the south Zagros region, arabs from the Arabian Peninsula and turks from Central Asia. It was never their land, and as long as we stand on that soil, it never will be.
     

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