Poverty since 1970

[kiwiman127]

Flat wages wouldn't have anything to do with it?

 

[boedicca]

One of the reasons the poverty rate has increased is that the leftoids keep Defining Poverty Up.

In the U.S., The Poor are Obese, have flat screen TVs, smart phones, cars, air conditioning, etc.

In the rest of the world, The Poor are generally starving and live in medieval conditions.

 

[kiwiman127]

One of the reasons the poverty rate has increased is that the leftoids keep Defining Poverty Up.

In the U.S., The Poor are Obese, have flat screen TVs, smart phones, cars, air conditioning, etc.

In the rest of the world, The Poor are generally starving and live in medieval conditions.

But then, the USA isn't the rest of the world is it? We have the highest standard of living in the world. It's ludicrous to compare the economic definition of poverty with the world's richest country to third world countries' version of poverty. That's an apple to oranges argument.

 

[GoneBezerk]

The standard for being "poor" keeps being lowered by liberals to get more people on welfare as a voting base.

Many so-called poor in this country drive cars that are less than 10 years old, own a HDTV, own a Iphone, etc.

 

[Clementine]

Poverty is one of those subjective terms...as long as someone has less than another, they'll be considered poor. You can never truly get rid of it.

What can I say though? I'm a stickler for seeing people not starve. In all seriousness, how should it be done in your opinion?

Then how about we go back to food stamps, which can only purchase nutritious food? No more EBT cards being used at fast food places, tattoo parlors, etc. Clearly they don't need to gamble or buy cigarettes. If we provide food, that takes care of the problem. If they need help with utilities, we should pay the companies directly.

We are giving some people too much and they are blowing it on some pretty stupid things. I wonder how much money we'd save if we had more oversight. There were millions spent in California alone when people used EBT cards to get cash out of ATM machines at gambling casinos. Can't defend that.

People won't starve if we cut back and stop giving them too much. I think case workers need to have people submit their actual expenses and include monthly bills. They need to show wages, if any, and go from there. I think we should go back to making it a tad uncomfortable to stay on the doles indefinitely.

 

[Freewill]

LBJ's Great Society...that's when the entitlement spending really took off.

The two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

• Today, we're spending in excess of a $1.5 trillion dollars a year on LBJ's vision*
• We now have over 150 million households getting handouts
• Since 1970, means-tested entitlements have increased by 5,500%, while the regular rate of inflation during that period was 4%
• Wars and defense contribute a ton to our $16 trillion debt but entitlements contribute even more

Clearly, we've tried HARD to fulfill LBJ's dream.

How's it worked out? Poverty been eliminated? Hint: The poverty rate is up about 2% since 1970...bummer. But hey, the Black man thriving, right?

At what point do we begin the think that maybe all this spending and entitlement is doing more harm than good?

*Entitlement Spending Chart United States 1970-2011 - Federal State Local Data

WOW! That's a pretty good rabbit trick! To have 150 million households getting handouts WHEN we only have 117 million households in the USA!

Same thing happen with the Obama vote.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Nah....that would be "racist" babysitting minorities on welfare by not giving them a EBT card to use on their own. They should be able to buy booze, withdraw money at casinos, etc with money given to them by the taxpayer....

Poverty is one of those subjective terms...as long as someone has less than another, they'll be considered poor. You can never truly get rid of it.

What can I say though? I'm a stickler for seeing people not starve. In all seriousness, how should it be done in your opinion?

Then how about we go back to food stamps, which can only purchase nutritious food? No more EBT cards being used at fast food places, tattoo parlors, etc. Clearly they don't need to gamble or buy cigarettes. If we provide food, that takes care of the problem. If they need help with utilities, we should pay the companies directly.

We are giving some people too much and they are blowing it on some pretty stupid things. I wonder how much money we'd save if we had more oversight. There were millions spent in California alone when people used EBT cards to get cash out of ATM machines at gambling casinos. Can't defend that.

People won't starve if we cut back and stop giving them too much. I think case workers need to have people submit their actual expenses and include monthly bills. They need to show wages, if any, and go from there. I think we should go back to making it a tad uncomfortable to stay on the doles indefinitely.

 

[kiwiman127]

The standard for being "poor" keeps being lowered by liberals to get more people on welfare as a voting base.

Many so-called poor in this country drive cars that are less than 10 years old, own a HDTV, own a Iphone, etc.

So flat wages and shipping jobs overseas which started in the 1980's and peaked in the last decade has nothing to do with the increase of the working poor and the demise of the middle class Americans. We make cheaper products in China; etc, The big job growth in the job market has been in low paying jobs.
Also. when you say "many so-called poor" drive cars that are less than 10 years old, own a HDTV, own a Iphone; etc, do have real stats to back that up?

 

[GoneBezerk]

You live in New Zealand, I don't need to prove what I know about the US to you, foreigner.

The poverty rate standard for the US keeps raising the income level so that more and more Americans qualify for food stamps, etc. There are people in the US military that live in military housing, own a car, etc yet can qualify for FOOD STAMPS.

They have a steady paycheck every 2 weeks, free healthcare, etc and yet are so-called POOR based on bogus standards created by liberals that want to fill up the welfare lists with Democrap voters.

The standard for being "poor" keeps being lowered by liberals to get more people on welfare as a voting base.

Many so-called poor in this country drive cars that are less than 10 years old, own a HDTV, own a Iphone, etc.

So flat wages and shipping jobs overseas which started in the 1980's and peaked in the last decade has nothing to do with the increase of the working poor and the demise of the middle class Americans. We make cheaper products in China; etc, The big job growth in the job market has been in low paying jobs.
Also. when you say "many so-called poor" drive cars that are less than 10 years old, own a HDTV, own a Iphone; etc, do have real stats to back that up?

 

[Care4all]

LBJ's Great Society...that's when the entitlement spending really took off.

The two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

• Today, we're spending in excess of a $1.5 trillion dollars a year on LBJ's vision*
• We now have over 150 million households getting handouts
• Since 1970, means-tested entitlements have increased by 5,500%, while the regular rate of inflation during that period was 4%
• Wars and defense contribute a ton to our $16 trillion debt but entitlements contribute even more

Clearly, we've tried HARD to fulfill LBJ's dream.

How's it worked out? Poverty been eliminated? Hint: The poverty rate is up about 2% since 1970...bummer. But hey, the Black man thriving, right?

At what point do we begin the think that maybe all this spending and entitlement is doing more harm than good?

*Entitlement Spending Chart United States 1970-2011 - Federal State Local Data

WOW! That's a pretty good rabbit trick! To have 150 million households getting handouts WHEN we only have 117 million households in the USA!

Actually, your 117 million figure is for 2010. This is almost 2013. Oops! Want to try again?

what's the difference? supply the 2012 number if you think it is wrong....it CERTAINLY is not the 150 million he CLAIMS so that means his source is crud, no?

 

[eflatminor]

WOW! That's a pretty good rabbit trick! To have 150 million households getting handouts WHEN we only have 117 million households in the USA!

Actually, your 117 million figure is for 2010. This is almost 2013. Oops! Want to try again?

what's the difference? supply the 2012 number if you think it is wrong....it CERTAINLY is not the 150 million he CLAIMS so that means his source is crud, no?

Forget the 150 million figure then. The fact remains that poverty, as measured by the government, is UP after decades and trillions in redistribution. In other words, the meddling has done more harm than good.

 

[eflatminor]

One of the reasons the poverty rate has increased is that the leftoids keep Defining Poverty Up.

While that may be true, when the SAME factors are compared over the last 45 years, poverty is up...despite the trillions spent on this "war" on poverty. I say the meddlers have done more harm than good.

 

[eflatminor]

We have the highest standard of living in the world.

Which means our "poor" are considered rich by the rest of the world. But that just isn't good enough for you, is it?

 

[eflatminor]

Poverty is one of those subjective terms...as long as someone has less than another, they'll be considered poor. You can never truly get rid of it.

What can I say though? I'm a stickler for seeing people not starve. In all seriousness, how should it be done in your opinion?

Then how about we go back to food stamps, which can only purchase nutritious food? No more EBT cards being used at fast food places, tattoo parlors, etc. Clearly they don't need to gamble or buy cigarettes. If we provide food, that takes care of the problem. If they need help with utilities, we should pay the companies directly.

We did it that way in the past and poverty only increased. More central planning is not the answer to problems caused by central planning. In other words, the "poor" were better off before food stamps, help with utilities, etc. The meddling has only made their situation worse.

 

[Care4all]

eflat, look at poverty rates before Johnson's great society.... what were they before the programs to help....?

beginning in 1970, AFTER the plans were in place is just spinning and meddling with numbers....

 

[Wry Catcher]

LBJ's Great Society...that's when the entitlement spending really took off.

The two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

• Today, we're spending in excess of a $1.5 trillion dollars a year on LBJ's vision*
• We now have over 150 million households getting handouts
• Since 1970, means-tested entitlements have increased by 5,500%, while the regular rate of inflation during that period was 4%
• Wars and defense contribute a ton to our $16 trillion debt but entitlements contribute even more

Clearly, we've tried HARD to fulfill LBJ's dream.

How's it worked out? Poverty been eliminated? Hint: The poverty rate is up about 2% since 1970...bummer. But hey, the Black man thriving, right?

At what point do we begin the think that maybe all this spending and entitlement is doing more harm than good?

*Entitlement Spending Chart United States 1970-2011 - Federal State Local Data

OK, I got your, "ain't it awful". Now, what do you recommend should be done about it? And, what might be the consequences in re human suffering, additional costs to families and local government?

 

[eflatminor]

eflat, look at poverty rates before Johnson's great society.... what were they before the programs to help....?

beginning in 1970, AFTER the plans were in place is just spinning and meddling with numbers....

I have. Poverty was LOWER before 1970 than it is today. Two different methods of calculating poverty have shown the same result. Poverty is up, about 2%, after decades and trillions of dollars spent.

In addition, you're being disingenuous when you say it's meddling with numbers to use 1970 as a starting point. That's when the LBJ spending BEGAN. It is therefore a very reasonable place to start. Besides, just how many trillions of dollars do we have to wager on your so called great society and over how many decades before we begin to question whether we're doing more harm than good?

 

[eflatminor]

LBJ's Great Society...that's when the entitlement spending really took off.

The two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

• Today, we're spending in excess of a $1.5 trillion dollars a year on LBJ's vision*
• We now have over 150 million households getting handouts
• Since 1970, means-tested entitlements have increased by 5,500%, while the regular rate of inflation during that period was 4%
• Wars and defense contribute a ton to our $16 trillion debt but entitlements contribute even more

Clearly, we've tried HARD to fulfill LBJ's dream.

How's it worked out? Poverty been eliminated? Hint: The poverty rate is up about 2% since 1970...bummer. But hey, the Black man thriving, right?

At what point do we begin the think that maybe all this spending and entitlement is doing more harm than good?

*Entitlement Spending Chart United States 1970-2011 - Federal State Local Data

OK, I got your, "ain't it awful". Now, what do you recommend should be done about it? And, what might be the consequences in re human suffering, additional costs to families and local government?

Stop the meddling. The poor were better off before all these entitlement programs. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't return to being better off if we phased out those programs. Besides, we simply no longer have the money to continue to roll the dice to see what might work. You've had nearly five decades to experiment. The great society is clearly a failure that's done more harm than good.

 

[Wry Catcher]

LBJ's Great Society...that's when the entitlement spending really took off.

The two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

• Today, we're spending in excess of a $1.5 trillion dollars a year on LBJ's vision*
• We now have over 150 million households getting handouts
• Since 1970, means-tested entitlements have increased by 5,500%, while the regular rate of inflation during that period was 4%
• Wars and defense contribute a ton to our $16 trillion debt but entitlements contribute even more

Clearly, we've tried HARD to fulfill LBJ's dream.

How's it worked out? Poverty been eliminated? Hint: The poverty rate is up about 2% since 1970...bummer. But hey, the Black man thriving, right?

At what point do we begin the think that maybe all this spending and entitlement is doing more harm than good?

*Entitlement Spending Chart United States 1970-2011 - Federal State Local Data

OK, I got your, "ain't it awful". Now, what do you recommend should be done about it? And, what might be the consequences in re human suffering, additional costs to families and local government?

Stop the meddling. The poor were better off before all these entitlement programs. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't return to being better off if we phased out those programs. Besides, we simply no longer have the money to continue to roll the dice to see what might work. You've had nearly five decades to experiment. The great society is clearly a failure that's done more harm than good.

I got your opinion. Suggesting the poor were better off before Social Security and Medicare is bullshit. It is not factual, it is not true and it is a lie.

If you have evidence that your opinion has some basis in reality post it and I will apologize. Until then I must and do conclude you're a liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1970 is a pretty good point in time to mark the end of US trade surpluses and our shift to an ever-growing trade deficit;

the consequences of that as it has affected and continues to affect domestic job creation is significant.