Pot use lowers intelligence. This doesn't surprise me at all

[Si modo]

Oh great, this again.

TPS, there are plenty of things out there that lower your IQ. Ever watched reality TV?

Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife

Recent reports show that fewer adolescents believe that regular cannabis use is harmful to health. Concomitantly, adolescents are initiating cannabis use at younger ages, and more adolescents are using cannabis on a daily basis. The purpose of the present study was to test the association between persistent cannabis use and neuropsychological decline and determine whether decline is concentrated among adolescent-onset cannabis users. Participants were members of the Dunedin Study, a prospective study of a birth cohort of 1,037 individuals followed from birth (1972/1973) to age 38 y. Cannabis use was ascertained in interviews at ages 18, 21, 26, 32, and 38 y. Neuropsychological testing was conducted at age 13 y, before initiation of cannabis use, and again at age 38 y, after a pattern of persistent cannabis use had developed. Persistent cannabis use was associated with neuropsychological decline broadly across domains of functioning, even after controlling for years of education. Informants also reported noticing more cognitive problems for persistent cannabis users. Impairment was concentrated among adolescent-onset cannabis users, with more persistent use associated with greater decline. Further, cessation of cannabis use did not fully restore neuropsychological functioning among adolescent-onset cannabis users. Findings are suggestive of a neurotoxic effect of cannabis on the adolescent brain and highlight the importance of prevention and policy efforts targeting adolescents.
​

[emphasis added]

PNAS - published ahead of print August 27, 2012, doi:10.1073/pnas.1206820109

Doesn't look like a great prognosis for those cannabis users who started using as adolescents.

Yeah, reality TV doesn't help, either. (Except for Project Runway...the only reality TV I like, so of course, it's excluded...and that IS scientific, dammit!)

 

[teapartysamurai]

Oh great, this again.

TPS, there are plenty of things out there that lower your IQ. Ever watched reality TV?

No. I hate "reality tv" because it's NOT reality.

You would be surprised how little tv I watch.

Okay, do you drink alcohol?

Didn't I tell you?

They ALWAYS try to justify pot with alcohol!

And the answer is NO!

But let's say I did.

You can drink small amount of alcohol and not get DRUNK.

The ONLY reasons to smoke marijuana is to get STONED.

And don't give me any BS that isn't the reason.

I've seen too many of 'em. One joint, oh excuse me, I mean blunt, and they are stoned!

And the funny part is, they will DENY they are stoned, when it's obvious.

The last person to see the effects of pot, are those using it.

 

[Papageorgio]

Funny how liberals find science not reliable unless it supports these theories.

 

[teapartysamurai]

They admit in the study that some other factor could be the cause.

Heck, it may just be air pollution.

Air pollution????????

You use pot, right?

No, but apparently I have a higher IQ than you.

Children's IQ Can Be Affected By Mother's Exposure To Urban Air Pollutants, Study Suggests

Better not vote for any Dems born in urban areas then.

 

[whitehall]

Hollywood has been making that point for years in a hundred movies including Cheech/Chong that portray dope smokers for what they are, complete idiots.

 

[teapartysamurai]

As someone who NEVER used pot, I noticed as I went through the 60s and 70s and 80s, that those who even used harder drugs seemed to keep quick intelligence (somewhat), but those who heavily used pot, just went to DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it was encapsulated in a conversation my brother had with one of our fast friends who was growing pot in one of his stereo speakers (so his mom would not see it).

"Say Brian, how many joints (they were called joints not blunts back in the day) do you smoke a day?"

"Oh about one a day."

"So how many do you smoke a week?"

"Oh about 10."

My brother laughed, but there's nothing funny really about it. Didn't occur to Brian what was funny.

In the book "Boy Clinton," the author postulated that the reason liberals, especially the 60s hippy generation never learned from their mistakes is because they couldn't. All those years of drug use had rendered their brains encapable of learning from their mistakes and failures.

I also noticed that people like Clinton and Hillary had the emotional maturity of teenagers. The "I didn't inhale" president most certainly did.

Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ'

Teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis are putting themselves at risk of permanently damaging their intelligence, according to a landmark study.

By Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent | Telegraph.co.uk

Researchers found persistent users of the drug, who started smoking it at school, had lower IQ scores as adults.

They were also significantly more likely to have attention and memory problems in later life, than their peers who abstained.

Furthermore, those who started as teenagers and used it heavily, but quit as adults, did not regain their full mental powers, found academics at King’s College London and Duke University in the US.

They looked at data from over 1,000 people from Dunedin in New Zealand, who have been followed through their lives since being born in 1972 or 1973.

Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ' - Telegraph

Now, this is going to JUST send the pot users into conniption fits. Mostly because all addicts refuse to accept they can't handle their addiction. It's part of the ego and pride.

(And yes, I mean addiction. Pot raises the serotonin in your brain, and it falls later, and you get depressed (the crash). It gets to the point you can't feel happy without the pot. That's an addiction. Yes it is.)

Don't believe me? Look at every drunk driver video. No matter how obviously impaired they are, they refuse to believe they can't drive. It's a matter of ego and pride.

No, different with pot users. They are emotional to the point of not being able to discuss the subject objectively.

How do I know? Because of the STUPID argumements they use to justify their use.

"How would you know how pot affects you? You've never used it."

To which I've always responded: "I don't have to jump off the cliff to know it's a stupid thing to do, I just watch the other moron do it, to know it's a stupid thing to do."

"Well what about alcohol??? How come it's legal?"

To which I respond: "What of it? Are you suggesting getting drunk on alcohol vs. pot is better or worse? Maybe that's why there are some of us who don't do either."

Then there is the really ludicrous argument. "Well, I can smoke pot and drive where I couldn't on alcohol."

Yeah, well the drunk driver thinks he's fine to drive, too!"

Then there is the "medical marijuana" argument. Which amounts to pot heads hiding behind the sick and dying to justify getting stoned.

Which I would liken to a morphine user justifying morphine based on the fact my dying father was prescribed it, when he was dying of cancer, for his pain.

NOT the same thing people. It's still hiding behind the sick and dying to justify getting stoned.

Is anyone going to tell me morphine is "beneficial?" But pot is?

And if you even question this, you are "hard hearted" because of the sick and dying, when most "medical marijuana" users are perfectly fine, and will use any excuse possible to justify getting the pot.

Now let the tirade of of outraged pot heads begin.

They have something in common with libs. They know if people factually discuss the issue, they lose.

So, they HAVE to hide behind the sick and dying, to shut up any real discussion as "hard heated."

Which is what you do when you know the facts aren't on your side. You shut up any discussion of the facts.

Comical...But the government did say if you smoke weed you will kill your family.....

For someone on the right that expresses liberty, you want big government.

Tell us how big government and liberty go hand in hand, this should be good............

How do I want big government???????

That's stupid!

I don't use pot and it wasn't a big government that kept me from doing so. It was a five foot 0 woman who simply read the Bible to us every night and instilled MORALS into us. It doesn't take government to do that.

So, I CHOSE not to do pot.

This was underlined by my observations of those who chose to use pot. And I saw it wasn't good!

But, I want big government by noting there are good REASONS not to use pot?

THAT IS STUPID!

Do I want big government if I say I choose life instead of abortion?

Then HOW can that be the case if I CHOOSE sobriety!

That, on your part, was an overemotional attempt to justify, by words NOT IN EVIDENCE.

You are a conservative. You should be ashamed. Don't argue like a liberal.

It's the first time I've ever seen you do that. Don't repeat it.

 

[Full-Auto]

As someone who NEVER used pot, I noticed as I went through the 60s and 70s and 80s, that those who even used harder drugs seemed to keep quick intelligence (somewhat), but those who heavily used pot, just went to DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it was encapsulated in a conversation my brother had with one of our fast friends who was growing pot in one of his stereo speakers (so his mom would not see it).

"Say Brian, how many joints (they were called joints not blunts back in the day) do you smoke a day?"

"Oh about one a day."

"So how many do you smoke a week?"

"Oh about 10."

My brother laughed, but there's nothing funny really about it. Didn't occur to Brian what was funny.

In the book "Boy Clinton," the author postulated that the reason liberals, especially the 60s hippy generation never learned from their mistakes is because they couldn't. All those years of drug use had rendered their brains encapable of learning from their mistakes and failures.

I also noticed that people like Clinton and Hillary had the emotional maturity of teenagers. The "I didn't inhale" president most certainly did.



Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ' - Telegraph

Now, this is going to JUST send the pot users into conniption fits. Mostly because all addicts refuse to accept they can't handle their addiction. It's part of the ego and pride.

(And yes, I mean addiction. Pot raises the serotonin in your brain, and it falls later, and you get depressed (the crash). It gets to the point you can't feel happy without the pot. That's an addiction. Yes it is.)

Don't believe me? Look at every drunk driver video. No matter how obviously impaired they are, they refuse to believe they can't drive. It's a matter of ego and pride.

No, different with pot users. They are emotional to the point of not being able to discuss the subject objectively.

How do I know? Because of the STUPID argumements they use to justify their use.

"How would you know how pot affects you? You've never used it."

To which I've always responded: "I don't have to jump off the cliff to know it's a stupid thing to do, I just watch the other moron do it, to know it's a stupid thing to do."

"Well what about alcohol??? How come it's legal?"

To which I respond: "What of it? Are you suggesting getting drunk on alcohol vs. pot is better or worse? Maybe that's why there are some of us who don't do either."

Then there is the really ludicrous argument. "Well, I can smoke pot and drive where I couldn't on alcohol."

Yeah, well the drunk driver thinks he's fine to drive, too!"

Then there is the "medical marijuana" argument. Which amounts to pot heads hiding behind the sick and dying to justify getting stoned.

Which I would liken to a morphine user justifying morphine based on the fact my dying father was prescribed it, when he was dying of cancer, for his pain.

NOT the same thing people. It's still hiding behind the sick and dying to justify getting stoned.

Is anyone going to tell me morphine is "beneficial?" But pot is?

And if you even question this, you are "hard hearted" because of the sick and dying, when most "medical marijuana" users are perfectly fine, and will use any excuse possible to justify getting the pot.

Now let the tirade of of outraged pot heads begin.

They have something in common with libs. They know if people factually discuss the issue, they lose.

So, they HAVE to hide behind the sick and dying, to shut up any real discussion as "hard heated."

Which is what you do when you know the facts aren't on your side. You shut up any discussion of the facts.

Comical...But the government did say if you smoke weed you will kill your family.....

For someone on the right that expresses liberty, you want big government.

Tell us how big government and liberty go hand in hand, this should be good............

How do I want big government???????

That's stupid!

I don't use pot and it wasn't a big government that kept me from doing so. It was a five foot 0 woman who simply read the Bible to us every night and instilled MORALS into us. It doesn't take government to do that.

So, I CHOSE not to do pot.

This was underlined by my observations of those who chose to use pot. And I saw it wasn't good!

But, I want big government by noting there are good REASONS not to use pot?

THAT IS STUPID!

Do I want big government if I say I choose life instead of abortion?

Then HOW can that be the case if I CHOOSE sobriety!

That, on your part, was an overemotional attempt to justify, by words NOT IN EVIDENCE.

You are a conservative. You should be ashamed. Don't argue like a liberal.

It's the first time I've ever seen you do that. Don't repeat it.

The study is a sham.... Anyone siding with it, generally will go along with big brother outlawing it.

There are many opinions on the subject but absence of fact......


Would someone remove the nose rings from these posters.....

 

[teapartysamurai]

Oh great, this again.

TPS, there are plenty of things out there that lower your IQ. Ever watched reality TV?

Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife

Recent reports show that fewer adolescents believe that regular cannabis use is harmful to health. Concomitantly, adolescents are initiating cannabis use at younger ages, and more adolescents are using cannabis on a daily basis. The purpose of the present study was to test the association between persistent cannabis use and neuropsychological decline and determine whether decline is concentrated among adolescent-onset cannabis users. Participants were members of the Dunedin Study, a prospective study of a birth cohort of 1,037 individuals followed from birth (1972/1973) to age 38 y. Cannabis use was ascertained in interviews at ages 18, 21, 26, 32, and 38 y. Neuropsychological testing was conducted at age 13 y, before initiation of cannabis use, and again at age 38 y, after a pattern of persistent cannabis use had developed. Persistent cannabis use was associated with neuropsychological decline broadly across domains of functioning, even after controlling for years of education. Informants also reported noticing more cognitive problems for persistent cannabis users. Impairment was concentrated among adolescent-onset cannabis users, with more persistent use associated with greater decline. Further, cessation of cannabis use did not fully restore neuropsychological functioning among adolescent-onset cannabis users. Findings are suggestive of a neurotoxic effect of cannabis on the adolescent brain and highlight the importance of prevention and policy efforts targeting adolescents.
​

[emphasis added]

PNAS - published ahead of print August 27, 2012, doi:10.1073/pnas.1206820109

Doesn't look like a great prognosis for those cannabis users who started using as adolescents.

Yeah, reality TV doesn't help, either. (Except for Project Runway...the only reality TV I like, so of course, it's excluded...and that IS scientific, dammit!)

I never did like any of them.

I think the closest I get is "World's Dumbest Criminals" becaue it's actual dash cam and video evidence of criminals, not "reenactments."

Otherwise, they are a waste of time.

The only three shows that will get me to the set every time are "Hell on Wheels, ""The Walking Dead," and "Person of Interest."

My DVR is set for all those shows, so my hubby and I can catch those when they are on.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Comical...But the government did say if you smoke weed you will kill your family.....

For someone on the right that expresses liberty, you want big government.

Tell us how big government and liberty go hand in hand, this should be good............

How do I want big government???????

That's stupid!

I don't use pot and it wasn't a big government that kept me from doing so. It was a five foot 0 woman who simply read the Bible to us every night and instilled MORALS into us. It doesn't take government to do that.

So, I CHOSE not to do pot.

This was underlined by my observations of those who chose to use pot. And I saw it wasn't good!

But, I want big government by noting there are good REASONS not to use pot?

THAT IS STUPID!

Do I want big government if I say I choose life instead of abortion?

Then HOW can that be the case if I CHOOSE sobriety!

That, on your part, was an overemotional attempt to justify, by words NOT IN EVIDENCE.

You are a conservative. You should be ashamed. Don't argue like a liberal.

It's the first time I've ever seen you do that. Don't repeat it.

The study is a sham.... Anyone siding with it, generally will go along with big brother outlawing it.

There are many opinions on the subject but absence of fact......


Would someone remove the nose rings from these posters.....

You have no evidence of that other than your knee jerk reaction.

Calm the hell down.

 

[bobcollum]

No. I hate "reality tv" because it's NOT reality.

You would be surprised how little tv I watch.

Okay, do you drink alcohol?

Didn't I tell you?

They ALWAYS try to justify pot with alcohol!

And the answer is NO!

But let's say I did.

You can drink small amount of alcohol and not get DRUNK.

The ONLY reasons to smoke marijuana is to get STONED.

And don't give me any BS that isn't the reason.

I've seen too many of 'em. One joint, oh excuse me, I mean blunt, and they are stoned!

And the funny part is, they will DENY they are stoned, when it's obvious.

The last person to see the effects of pot, are those using it.

It has nothing to do with justification, it's about calling out hypocrisy.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Hollywood has been making that point for years in a hundred movies including Cheech/Chong that portray dope smokers for what they are, complete idiots.

"Dave's not here!"

 

[Full-Auto]

How do I want big government???????

That's stupid!

I don't use pot and it wasn't a big government that kept me from doing so. It was a five foot 0 woman who simply read the Bible to us every night and instilled MORALS into us. It doesn't take government to do that.

So, I CHOSE not to do pot.

This was underlined by my observations of those who chose to use pot. And I saw it wasn't good!

But, I want big government by noting there are good REASONS not to use pot?

THAT IS STUPID!

Do I want big government if I say I choose life instead of abortion?

Then HOW can that be the case if I CHOOSE sobriety!

That, on your part, was an overemotional attempt to justify, by words NOT IN EVIDENCE.

You are a conservative. You should be ashamed. Don't argue like a liberal.

It's the first time I've ever seen you do that. Don't repeat it.

The study is a sham.... Anyone siding with it, generally will go along with big brother outlawing it.

There are many opinions on the subject but absence of fact......


Would someone remove the nose rings from these posters.....

You have no evidence of that other than your knee jerk reaction.

Calm the hell down.

Actually I do....It is called life experience.............I have known to many anomalies for this to have any merit.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Okay, do you drink alcohol?

Didn't I tell you?

They ALWAYS try to justify pot with alcohol!

And the answer is NO!

But let's say I did.

You can drink small amount of alcohol and not get DRUNK.

The ONLY reasons to smoke marijuana is to get STONED.

And don't give me any BS that isn't the reason.

I've seen too many of 'em. One joint, oh excuse me, I mean blunt, and they are stoned!

And the funny part is, they will DENY they are stoned, when it's obvious.

The last person to see the effects of pot, are those using it.

It has nothing to do with justification, it's about calling out hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy!

That would be like the jaywalker yelling at the person who crossed at the crosswalk for hypocrisy.

One is legal and one is NOT. Both get you across the street but one is legal and one is not.

ONLY the jay walker sees that as logic.

Get real!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

(And yes, I mean addiction. Pot raises the serotonin in your brain, and it falls later, and you get depressed (the crash). It gets to the point you can't feel happy without the pot. That's an addiction. Yes it is.)

LMFAO.

This is wrong. The best knowledge we currently have through experiment is that small "doses" slightly in crease serotonin levels, while larger doses completely inhibit serotonin production. Both are still under scientific study.
A Little Marijuana Helps, but Lots May Hurt | Wired Science | Wired.com

As it stands right now, this accusation is completely false.

But of course, don't let the facts stand in the way of a good rant.

 

[bobcollum]

Didn't I tell you?

They ALWAYS try to justify pot with alcohol!

And the answer is NO!

But let's say I did.

You can drink small amount of alcohol and not get DRUNK.

The ONLY reasons to smoke marijuana is to get STONED.

And don't give me any BS that isn't the reason.

I've seen too many of 'em. One joint, oh excuse me, I mean blunt, and they are stoned!

And the funny part is, they will DENY they are stoned, when it's obvious.

The last person to see the effects of pot, are those using it.

It has nothing to do with justification, it's about calling out hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy!

That would be like the jaywalker yelling at the person who crossed at the crosswalk for hypocrisy.

One is legal and one is NOT. Both get you across the street but one is legal and one is not.

ONLY the jay walker sees that as logic.

Get real!

You're obviously anti-pot, but I've never seen your threads denouncing alcohol, despite the obvious physical and mental damage it can cause, not to mention that it's used as frequently or more than pot, nationwide.

Do you need me to link to Webster's for the definition of hypocrite?

 

[bobcollum]

Full-Auto has it though, you're concerned with laws, because deep down you like being subservient to big Gov't when it suits your own beliefs.

 

[Billo_Really]

I smoked pot every day for 20 years straight, from the time I was 17 to 37 and I'll tell ya right now,
I'm as sharp as a................um.................uh...............mmmmm..............tack!

 

[Si modo]

I smoked pot every day for 20 years straight, from the time I was 17 to 37 and I'll tell ya right now,
I'm as sharp as a................um.................uh...............mmmmm..............tack!

 

[teapartysamurai]

The study is a sham.... Anyone siding with it, generally will go along with big brother outlawing it.

There are many opinions on the subject but absence of fact......


Would someone remove the nose rings from these posters.....

You have no evidence of that other than your knee jerk reaction.

Calm the hell down.

Actually I do....It is called life experience.............I have known to many anomalies for this to have any merit.

Look, I am NOT a libertarian. I am a conservative.

I believe in law and order.

I am NOT for the legalization of pot anymore than I'm for puttng oxycontin over the counter.

I don't believe the nonsense that "I should be able to put anything in my body I want."

That's stupid. There is a reason why some things need a doctor's prescription, and I have no problem with that.

I also think the last person to judge whether pot is hurting them is the pot head.

It's like an alcoholic claiming booze is not causing him harm. He's hardly objective!

Am I for "big government" because I want drunk drivers caught before they kill me and my family on the road??????

Everyone wants to blame the federal government for the money spent in the drug war.

But that's like blaming the police department for the money spent to catch murderers.

Is it the police department's fault there is murder, or is the fault of the murderers?

And don't give me any bullshit that pot harms no one. I used to date someone who lived in the Bahamas and if you knew how many people are killed so someone here can smoke that pot . . .

As my former boyfriend called them, "Those Crazy Columbians, they will kill anyone that comes near those floating bales."

And that doesn't include the people killed who accidentally come upon crops right here in the US.

My stepfather used to be a sherrif's deputy and he covered more than one innocent person killed because they accidentally came upon a crop grown right here in the states.

Pot causes plenty of harm.

That is just part of what pot users blind themselves to.

 

[TakeAStepBack]