CDZ Post your ideas for a border wall.

[Luddly Neddite]

These seem to have lasted awhile....

The China wall took more than 2000 years to build and was never finished.

And that would be relevant how?

Sorry, I should have been more clear but got called away before finishing.

My point is that neither of those two examples has anything in common with the question at hand. For starters, check out the countryside ... like the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge and the Big Bend National Park. Any ideas how to build a wall through this?

Oh yeah, and I recently read that the Rio Grande river rose 27 feet in some spots.

Quit being a hack, and talk to people with some respect.. We know all these things, so why don't you give us your ideas and leave it at that ? Thanks

IOW, what I said is true but you don't want to hear it. Stop with the name calling. Its really not helpful.

...a link w/ Obama saying that non U.S. citizens who've broken U.S. immigration laws are allowed to vote (presumably for Hillary):

. I know right.

The left pushed thru the motorvoter bill a few years ago to encourage this kind of lawlessness and no good has come of it. It's resulted in outrageous suffering as too many good people were conned into voting by unscrupulous party hacks only to find themselves torn from their families and deported when their crimes come to light:

• Blog: Repeal the left’s Motor Voter Law: It is breaking up immigrant families
• Articles: Illegal Aliens Really Do Vote – a Lot
• https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/...s-in-prison-and-certain-deportation.html?_r=0
• Peruvian woman can be deported from U.S. for voting illegally: court
• Court: Immigrants who vote illegally can be deported

The left pushed thru the motorvoter bill a few years ago to encourage this kind of lawlessness and no good has come of it.

Not true at all. At this time, we have no idea who is undocumented or where they are. Just as many US citizens drive without a license, so will the undocumented but it would be a good start on identifying and locating them.

Also, you state this as though its nationwide. Its not. Last I knew it was being done in about 12 states. That could have changed however.

 

[jasonnfree]

Just build it, maintain it, and enforce it. It could be the 21 century version of the PWA, we could call it the Delayed National Recovery and Security Act! Young and old could be employed, develop new skills, utilizing American made products and technology....its a win win proposition requiring serious consideration. It would pay for itself by increasing the standard of living for those that our education system abandoned.

. Yep, but also we need much needed infrastructure projects funded throughout America, and out in the far West they need new reservoirs constructed, and dams that preserve the fresh water that is badly needed in those drought prone areas. The border would be far less a problem if we were to enforce immigration laws on the books just like the administration is doing right now, and look at who is trying to obstruct the laws and enforcing of the laws. It's the Democrats/liberals. How crazy is it that California has had the most problems with illegals and lack of water, yet they fight against everything that can relieve the problems in those areas ? Stop the draw, and save billions of un-nessesary feel good spending that will be better spent elsewhere in the nation where it counts.

We DO enforce existing laws and the border is not a problem. Indeed, President Obama was criticized for deporting so many.

Are you aware that President Obama hired more Border Patrol agents than anyone in history? Are you aware there are so many that they can almost hold hands along the border?

CA does not have the most problems with undocumented.

Educate yourself.

Enough people to hold hands along the border you say. I was actually thinking of a border control like that. A guard every 7 hundred feet or so, so they can see another guard down the way, a three guard shift, and rotate them often so they don't get too friendly with the drug dealers in any given local. Use a combination of border patrol, national guard, military, and maybe volunteers. As situations change, the manpower adjusts, etc. Like General Patton said about fixed fortifications being stupid, it sure applies here. And, it could be in place almost overnight. Look how quickly we get ready to go to war in this country when we want/have to. Even if this outrageously expensive wall were built, and it would take years, situations between Mexico and USA could change in a few years and then this Trump wall would become known as 'The Monument to Stupidity' to future generations.

 

[expat_panama]

...The left pushed thru the motorvoter bill... ...as though its nationwide. Its not. Last I knew it was being done in about 12 states...

Whether we have links to simialar cases in each and every one of the "57 states" does not matter. What matters is that the law does in fact apply nationwide and we already know of many tragic situations resulting, such as the case of Margarita Del Pilar Fitzpatrick who--

...committed a crime that the left insists never happens: illegal voting by a non-citizen. Mrs. Fitzpatrick now faces deportation, and separation from her husband and children, unless they can obtain residency in her native Peru, thanks to the left...

...By terms of the law, the clerk was not able to discourage Mrs. Fitzpatrick from registering to vote, even though it was an illegal act that eventually led to her deportation order. That created a situation in which she may have felt she had received approval.

The clerk acted in accord with the law, The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) (52 U.S.C. § 20501 - 52 U.S.C. § 20511). That law, frequently called "Motor Voter," was pushed by ACORN and was so critical to the left's strategy for political dominance that both Cloward and Piven attended the signing ceremony, standing behind Bill Clinton as he signed it into law...

...Mrs. Fitzpatrick:

... claims that the clerk at the driver services facility told her it was up to her if she checked the box to register to vote. However, the court documents state that what the clerk told her "was a refusal to give advice, not an assurance that it was lawful to register."

The court record also noted that it is against federal law for state officials to say anything that may discourage an individual applying for a driver's license from registering to vote.
​

It's my personal guess that Fitzpatrick had no idea what the law was. Heck nobody here does, why should she? The left does not seem to care about cases like hers, She's already voted so the election tampering by the democrats has been accomplished --they won't have to pay the price, she will.

 

[bripat9643]

I think it should consist of various components such as the physical barriers in which to be formed in the appropriate ways, and applied for the terrane in which they will be applied to or in the areas of need...Human barrier's such as border patrol agents, and Intel would operate from watch towers placed in the proper distances apart from one another, yet can still be seen by binoculars from one gaurd tower to the other, and for the entire length and/or distances between one section of towers to the other section. Drones would be essential to the observation duties, and to the security along stretches that are either to rough a terrane to build on or along private stretches of land that property owners would be resisting of any huge structures that would destroy the values of their lands, and the scenic value, and the access points that allow cattle to graze openly etc. However, these owners would have to at least grant a narrow strip of right away in order that patrols can ride the entire strip in order to keep proper surveillance of the area. Razer wire should be deployed in correlation with the towers, along with drones, ground surveillance, and river surveillance. It can be done. We need not try to build some sort of wall that proves to be worthless in 8 years or longer. We must also address the problem that we have inward, and that is the problem that is creating the draw in all of this out of control situation. In each gaurd tower you would have a technical center, and this would have a drone station, sensor monitors, crew quarters etc. In fact these towers may be the answer instead of the wall in many areas of question.

we
are
not
paying
for
any
wall

Yes you are, dingbat.

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[Luddly Neddite]

Just build it, maintain it, and enforce it. It could be the 21 century version of the PWA, we could call it the Delayed National Recovery and Security Act! Young and old could be employed, develop new skills, utilizing American made products and technology....its a win win proposition requiring serious consideration. It would pay for itself by increasing the standard of living for those that our education system abandoned.

. Yep, but also we need much needed infrastructure projects funded throughout America, and out in the far West they need new reservoirs constructed, and dams that preserve the fresh water that is badly needed in those drought prone areas. The border would be far less a problem if we were to enforce immigration laws on the books just like the administration is doing right now, and look at who is trying to obstruct the laws and enforcing of the laws. It's the Democrats/liberals. How crazy is it that California has had the most problems with illegals and lack of water, yet they fight against everything that can relieve the problems in those areas ? Stop the draw, and save billions of un-nessesary feel good spending that will be better spent elsewhere in the nation where it counts.

We DO enforce existing laws and the border is not a problem. Indeed, President Obama was criticized for deporting so many.

Are you aware that President Obama hired more Border Patrol agents than anyone in history? Are you aware there are so many that they can almost hold hands along the border?

CA does not have the most problems with undocumented.

Educate yourself.

Enough people to hold hands along the border you say. I was actually thinking of a border control like that. A guard every 7 hundred feet or so, so they can see another guard down the way, a three guard shift, and rotate them often so they don't get too friendly with the drug dealers in any given local. Use a combination of border patrol, national guard, military, and maybe volunteers. As situations change, the manpower adjusts, etc. Like General Patton said about fixed fortifications being stupid, it sure applies here. And, it could be in place almost overnight. Look how quickly we get ready to go to war in this country when we want/have to. Even if this outrageously expensive wall were built, and it would take years, situations between Mexico and USA could change in a few years and then this Trump wall would become known as 'The Monument to Stupidity' to future generations.

President Obama increased agents on the southern border to more than 18,500. Subtract the distance where there is water and do the math.

Not only his monument to stupidity but a monetary debt we would be paying for a couple of generations from now.

There are almost no Mexicans coming in any more but when they did/do, it's because we invite them.

We hire them, some companies(esp slaughterhouses and esp those owned by China - Smithfield etc) Some advertise in Mexico and transport to US. Small family farms hire the same individuals every year and would quickly go broke without them. That's exactly what the Rs want, so the 1% can drive out small farmers. Those who don't believe that, haven't been paying attention. It's been very common for many years now.

We buy their drugs. If we stop drugs from the south, they will come from the north. The US must address this. We simply must.

Our southern border is under control but the others are wide open. Guess where terrorists come from ...

The shame of the US is what we did and still do to innocent children refugees. I really thought we were better than that.



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[Luddly Neddite]

I think it should consist of various components such as the physical barriers in which to be formed in the appropriate ways, and applied for the terrane in which they will be applied to or in the areas of need...Human barrier's such as border patrol agents, and Intel would operate from watch towers placed in the proper distances apart from one another, yet can still be seen by binoculars from one gaurd tower to the other, and for the entire length and/or distances between one section of towers to the other section. Drones would be essential to the observation duties, and to the security along stretches that are either to rough a terrane to build on or along private stretches of land that property owners would be resisting of any huge structures that would destroy the values of their lands, and the scenic value, and the access points that allow cattle to graze openly etc. However, these owners would have to at least grant a narrow strip of right away in order that patrols can ride the entire strip in order to keep proper surveillance of the area. Razer wire should be deployed in correlation with the towers, along with drones, ground surveillance, and river surveillance. It can be done. We need not try to build some sort of wall that proves to be worthless in 8 years or longer. We must also address the problem that we have inward, and that is the problem that is creating the draw in all of this out of control situation. In each gaurd tower you would have a technical center, and this would have a drone station, sensor monitors, crew quarters etc. In fact these towers may be the answer instead of the wall in many areas of question.

we
are
not
paying
for
any
wall

Yes you are, dingbat.

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I agree.

Just like everything else the cheeto in chief says, he lied about Mexico paying. Remember Mexico's prez beating the crap out of drumpf while stood there, looking at his feet with Bobby pins in his bright yellow hair. Gawd what an embarrassment he is.

But yes, if he's allowed to do this to us, we will be paying for his debacle for a couple of generations and that's just the financial cost.


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[sealybobo]

I think it should consist of various components such as the physical barriers in which to be formed in the appropriate ways, and applied for the terrane in which they will be applied to or in the areas of need..

barrier's such as border patrol agents, and Intel would operate from watch towers placed in the proper distances apart from one another, yet can still be seen by binoculars from one gaurd tower to the other, and for the entire length and/or distances between one section of towers to the other section.

Drones would be essential to the observation duties, and to the security along stretches that are either to rough a terrane to build on or along private stretches of land that property owners would be resisting of any huge structures that would destroy the values of their lands, and the scenic value, and the access points that allow cattle to graze openly etc.

However, these owners would have to at least grant a narrow strip of right away in order that patrols can ride the entire strip in order to keep proper surveillance of the area. Razer wire should be deployed in correlation with the towers, along with drones, ground surveillance, and river surveillance. It can be done.

We need not try to build some sort of wall that proves to be worthless in 8 years or longer. We must also address the problem that we have inward, and that is the problem that is creating the draw in all of this out of control situation. In each gaurd tower you would have a technical center, and this would have a drone station, sensor monitors, crew quarters etc.

In fact these towers may be the answer instead of the wall in many areas of question.

And isn't the desert the perfect place to train our military? Move our boot camps to new Mexico Arizona and Texas and California. If they aren't in the middle East they should be patrolling the border. Then we don't have to hire as many border patrol agents

 

[bripat9643]

Just build it, maintain it, and enforce it. It could be the 21 century version of the PWA, we could call it the Delayed National Recovery and Security Act! Young and old could be employed, develop new skills, utilizing American made products and technology....its a win win proposition requiring serious consideration. It would pay for itself by increasing the standard of living for those that our education system abandoned.

. Yep, but also we need much needed infrastructure projects funded throughout America, and out in the far West they need new reservoirs constructed, and dams that preserve the fresh water that is badly needed in those drought prone areas. The border would be far less a problem if we were to enforce immigration laws on the books just like the administration is doing right now, and look at who is trying to obstruct the laws and enforcing of the laws. It's the Democrats/liberals. How crazy is it that California has had the most problems with illegals and lack of water, yet they fight against everything that can relieve the problems in those areas ? Stop the draw, and save billions of un-nessesary feel good spending that will be better spent elsewhere in the nation where it counts.

We DO enforce existing laws and the border is not a problem. Indeed, President Obama was criticized for deporting so many.

Are you aware that President Obama hired more Border Patrol agents than anyone in history? Are you aware there are so many that they can almost hold hands along the border?

CA does not have the most problems with undocumented.

Educate yourself.

Enough people to hold hands along the border you say. I was actually thinking of a border control like that. A guard every 7 hundred feet or so, so they can see another guard down the way, a three guard shift, and rotate them often so they don't get too friendly with the drug dealers in any given local. Use a combination of border patrol, national guard, military, and maybe volunteers. As situations change, the manpower adjusts, etc. Like General Patton said about fixed fortifications being stupid, it sure applies here. And, it could be in place almost overnight. Look how quickly we get ready to go to war in this country when we want/have to. Even if this outrageously expensive wall were built, and it would take years, situations between Mexico and USA could change in a few years and then this Trump wall would become known as 'The Monument to Stupidity' to future generations.

President Obama increased agents on the southern border to more than 18,500. Subtract the distance where there is water and do the math.

Not only his monument to stupidity but a monetary debt we would be paying for a couple of generations from now.

There are almost no Mexicans coming in any more but when they did/do, it's because we invite them.

We hire them, some companies(esp slaughterhouses and esp those owned by China - Smithfield etc) Some advertise in Mexico and transport to US. Small family farms hire the same individuals every year and would quickly go broke without them. That's exactly what the Rs want, so the 1% can drive out small farmers. Those who don't believe that, haven't been paying attention. It's been very common for many years now.

We buy their drugs. If we stop drugs from the south, they will come from the north. The US must address this. We simply must.

Our southern border is under control but the others are wide open. Guess where terrorists come from ...

The shame of the US is what we did and still do to innocent children refugees. I really thought we were better than that.



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Whenever leftwingers start complaining about the cost of something, you can be certain they are spewing bullshit.

 

[jasonnfree]

Just build it, maintain it, and enforce it. It could be the 21 century version of the PWA, we could call it the Delayed National Recovery and Security Act! Young and old could be employed, develop new skills, utilizing American made products and technology....its a win win proposition requiring serious consideration. It would pay for itself by increasing the standard of living for those that our education system abandoned.

. Yep, but also we need much needed infrastructure projects funded throughout America, and out in the far West they need new reservoirs constructed, and dams that preserve the fresh water that is badly needed in those drought prone areas. The border would be far less a problem if we were to enforce immigration laws on the books just like the administration is doing right now, and look at who is trying to obstruct the laws and enforcing of the laws. It's the Democrats/liberals. How crazy is it that California has had the most problems with illegals and lack of water, yet they fight against everything that can relieve the problems in those areas ? Stop the draw, and save billions of un-nessesary feel good spending that will be better spent elsewhere in the nation where it counts.

We DO enforce existing laws and the border is not a problem. Indeed, President Obama was criticized for deporting so many.

Are you aware that President Obama hired more Border Patrol agents than anyone in history? Are you aware there are so many that they can almost hold hands along the border?

CA does not have the most problems with undocumented.

Educate yourself.

Enough people to hold hands along the border you say. I was actually thinking of a border control like that. A guard every 7 hundred feet or so, so they can see another guard down the way, a three guard shift, and rotate them often so they don't get too friendly with the drug dealers in any given local. Use a combination of border patrol, national guard, military, and maybe volunteers. As situations change, the manpower adjusts, etc. Like General Patton said about fixed fortifications being stupid, it sure applies here. And, it could be in place almost overnight. Look how quickly we get ready to go to war in this country when we want/have to. Even if this outrageously expensive wall were built, and it would take years, situations between Mexico and USA could change in a few years and then this Trump wall would become known as 'The Monument to Stupidity' to future generations.

President Obama increased agents on the southern border to more than 18,500. Subtract the distance where there is water and do the math.

Not only his monument to stupidity but a monetary debt we would be paying for a couple of generations from now.

There are almost no Mexicans coming in any more but when they did/do, it's because we invite them.

We hire them, some companies(esp slaughterhouses and esp those owned by China - Smithfield etc) Some advertise in Mexico and transport to US. Small family farms hire the same individuals every year and would quickly go broke without them. That's exactly what the Rs want, so the 1% can drive out small farmers. Those who don't believe that, haven't been paying attention. It's been very common for many years now.

We buy their drugs. If we stop drugs from the south, they will come from the north. The US must address this. We simply must.

Our southern border is under control but the others are wide open. Guess where terrorists come from ...

The shame of the US is what we did and still do to innocent children refugees. I really thought we were better than that.



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There's a carpenters union in orange county, mostly Mexicans, some couldn't speak English and lots of illegals I know for a fact. They're a bigger part of our economy than people realize. As far as Obama goes, I remember when there were ICE raids even in santa ana. He deported a lot of people. My post about a human wall is that it can be temporary and movable, unlike a thousand miles of brick and mortar with a, get this, eight to ten foot footing. The amount of concrete alone staggers the imagination. I never really believed the wall would be built, still don't.

 

[expat_panama]

...a thousand miles of brick and mortar with a, get this, eight to ten foot footing...

--and since most of that border is rivers we'll make the wall ten miles high --and a half a mile thick! Heck, at $200/cy reinforced concrete we're only talking about say, $5,500T, sounds like a job for--

Seriously, no matter what kind of barrier we build it will never be enough unless we enforce the laws in place. This will mean that we're going to have to deport all foreigners w/o current visas (including children) along wi/ those that break laws (including laws against non-citizens voting).

My bet is that if we enforce existing laws then most probably existing maintence/improvements plans already in progress for the borders will be fine.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I just saw an article that said by far and away, most undocumented are those who overstayed their visa rather than people who crossed the border illegally. Most of those were hired for high tech jobs for which there are no trained Americans. Repubs and drumpf will make sure the shortage of qualified citizens will become even worse.


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[expat_panama]

I just saw an article that said...

Is there a chance you cud pse 'see' it again and post a link?

 

[beagle9]

I just saw an article that said by far and away, most undocumented are those who overstayed their visa rather than people who crossed the border illegally. Most of those were hired for high tech jobs for which there are no trained Americans. Repubs and drumpf will make sure the shortage of qualified citizens will become even worse.Sent from my iPad using USMessageBoard.com

. With all the poor widdle babies who can't get dare widdle hands dirty once graduate college or fill these tech jobs then we need to close every dam college in this nation, and do it quickly.

 

[bripat9643]

...a thousand miles of brick and mortar with a, get this, eight to ten foot footing...

--and since most of that border is rivers we'll make the wall ten miles high --and a half a mile thick! Heck, at $200/cy reinforced concrete we're only talking about say, $5,500T, sounds like a job for--

Seriously, no matter what kind of barrier we build it will never be enough unless we enforce the laws in place. This will mean that we're going to have to deport all foreigners w/o current visas (including children) along wi/ those that break laws (including laws against non-citizens voting).

My bet is that if we enforce existing laws then most probably existing maintence/improvements plans already in progress for the borders will be fine.

It's a river that a 5-year-old could wade across. It's not much of an obstacle.

 

[expat_panama]

...a river that a 5-year-old could wade across...

In places it is, although we don't want to build a wall in a creek bed subject to flash floods. That, and the mouth of the Rio Grande is an international shipping channel. Still, from what I can see T's got the right idea, he's enforcing laws, he's keeping up the maintenance/improvements, and he's telling everyone that he's 'building a wall' because it's much easier to understand at first glance.

 

[Marianne]

A wall would be helpful but regardless of whether there is one or not all branches of the military should do their first deployment policing the border. It would be great training and those soldiers are already on the government payroll.

 

[expat_panama]

...one or not all branches of the military should do their first deployment policing the border. It would be great training...

That kind of work is too important. It's not the kind of work we do for training, it's the kind of work we go through training so we can do it. Besides, the military is already there; fwiw here's a link ( https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...LJE9euEfQ&sig2=Kap0Dc0__8_htogyjVuhKA&cad=rja ) that describes the policy and even mentions a 2010 deployment of a thousand troops at one time..

 

[Marianne]

...one or not all branches of the military should do their first deployment policing the border. It would be great training...

That kind of work is too important. It's not the kind of work we do for training, it's the kind of work we go through training so we can do it. Besides, the military is already there; fwiw here's a link ( https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwi4_ISF38TSAhVOziYKHRavB2AQFggbMAA&url=http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/library/P7492.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF44HOK7jU_9_40YQZugLJE9euEfQ&sig2=Kap0Dc0__8_htogyjVuhKA&cad=rja ) that describes the policy and even mentions a 2010 deployment of a thousand troops at one time..

Yes I know and it would be the first deployment after boot camp. It would be the first time the put into practice what they've been trained for. I'm not talking about a 1000 I'm talking way more than that. 1000 Troops with the size of that border isn't enough. I'm also not just talking about homeland security and the national guard, I'm talking the Army,Navy,Airforce,Marines and Coastguard. This would probably take special legislation but it should be done.

 

[bripat9643]

...a river that a 5-year-old could wade across...

In places it is, although we don't want to build a wall in a creek bed subject to flash floods. That, and the mouth of the Rio Grande is an international shipping channel. Still, from what I can see T's got the right idea, he's enforcing laws, he's keeping up the maintenance/improvements, and he's telling everyone that he's 'building a wall' because it's much easier to understand at first glance.

You build the wall behind the river, not in it. Building the wall is the right idea. It's a permanent barrier that can't be made to disappear with the stroke of a pen.

 

[beagle9]

...a river that a 5-year-old could wade across...

In places it is, although we don't want to build a wall in a creek bed subject to flash floods. That, and the mouth of the Rio Grande is an international shipping channel. Still, from what I can see T's got the right idea, he's enforcing laws, he's keeping up the maintenance/improvements, and he's telling everyone that he's 'building a wall' because it's much easier to understand at first glance.

You build the wall behind the river, not in it. Building the wall is the right idea. It's a permanent barrier that can't be made to disappear with the stroke of a pen.

. Enforce immigration laws on the books (including going after American violators of the law as well), then place proper implacements where needed along that border, along with the proper technology's, and then the proper man power where needed. End of problem.