Post-Birth Abortion

[beagle9]

‘After-birth abortion’: Can they be serious? - She The People - The Washington Post

Two ethicists in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

This is the road pro-lifers knew was coming.

To quote the article -[["“However, we never meant to suggest that after-birth abortion should become legal. This was not made clear enough in the paper. Laws are not just about rational ethical arguments, because there are many practical, emotional, social aspects that are relevant in policy making (such as respecting the plurality of ethical views, people’s emotional reactions etc). But we are not policy makers, we are philosophers, and we deal with concepts, not with legal policy.”]]

I ask how could they even have thought something like this, in order to suggest this kind of thing at all for a debate ? To think it is to have some sort of agreeing with such thoughts in order to come up with such a thought to begin with (get help quickly), and so they need others to jump in and help them understand whether or not their thoughts on this level are evil or not so evil or just downright evil (pick one of the three), because there is no other choices to pick from in such a thing.

 

[Moonglow]

Dr Ezekiel Emannuel, brother of Rahm, and advisor to the Idiot-In-Chief on healthcare believes that rationing will be essential in the wonderful universal health care system that the left salivate over. His considered opinion included:

The over 65s being the bottom of the list.
Children under the age of 3 are not "fully formed human beings" (his words, not mine) and are therefore at the bottom of the list, along with the over 65s.

That's what the left worship. Picking not on need but on 'value'. Sick freaks.

link?

 

[beagle9]

‘After-birth abortion’: Can they be serious? - She The People - The Washington Post

Two ethicists in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

This is the road pro-lifers knew was coming.

A number of abortion doctors have been murdered by pro-lifers, therefore all pro-lifers support the murder of abortion doctors. Those who are pro-choice should have seen this coming. Now all those who are pro-choice must fear for their lives because it is a fact that all pro-lifers want to kill those who are pro-choice. This is the road pro-choicers knew was coming.

Pro-Choice about what ? Need details and do spell it out for us all, and within it's entirety.. I just want to know what you feel being Pro-Choice is all about (how far do you go?), and this in it's entirety by your standards kept on the matter. Oh and who is doing all the killing again ?

 

[beagle9]

Don't look now, but it's not just those crazy Aussies pushing this crap.

Taking Life: Humans, by Peter Singer

peter singer is lying scum who wrote the book Animal Liberation and has stated catagoricaly that it is ok to lie to advance your agenda.

He's also in a position to infect young minds with his poison. Which he does while nailing down a nice salary for his efforts.
He's typical of a large segment of American academia.

A major problem in America anymore these days I think..

 

[beagle9]

When republicans and conservatives support living children I'll take them serious, until then they remain empty moralists who only preach. All these constant threads are, is holier than thou BS when your actions contradict your presumed morals.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean-debate-zone/241999-abortion-rape-question-4.html#post5859215

"Having ensured that children will be born through their anti-abortion legislation, House Republicans have now ensured those children will be deprived of proper nutrition once they come into the world, ensuring that 300,000 millionaires will have more money in their pockets at the expense of nearly 500,000 women and children. Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee approved the appropriations bill which reduces WIC funding from $6.73 billion this year to $5.90 billion in 2012. The bill will also cut $38 million from the Commodity Supplemental Food Program (CSIP), as well as $63 million from the Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAB). If the Republicans had been truly interested in slashing the federal budget they could have saved more money by ending tax cuts for the rich or slashing subsidies to the oil companies. Instead they starve the infants and elderly. Why do I say that? WIC could be fully funded at the cost of just one week of Bush’s tax cuts for millionaires. According to the Center for American Progress, “one day’s worth of millionaire tax cuts would feed needy families for a year.”" The Consequences of Evil - Republican Legislation Since 2010


http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...-a-heartbeat-is-detectable-4.html#post3814184
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...e-with-a-history-of-trauma-5.html#post4730878

"In the 1950s, about a million illegal abortions a year were performed in the U.S., and over a thousand women died each year as a result. Women who were victims of botched or unsanitary abortions came in desperation to hospital emergency wards, where some died of widespread abdominal infections. Many women who recovered from such infections found themselves sterile or chronically and painfully ill. The enormous emotional stress often lasted a long time." HISTORY OF ABORTION

If do good feel good at any cost liberals would have left the prison systems as places of punishment, instead of making them oais after the crime, then our criminal population may be far lower than what it is to date, but here we have the backwards thinking of a do good feel good at all cost liberal once again on an issue, just as it is found in your take written into this post in which you have written. The same sort of mindset applies for both with democrats, even though the issues are different of course, and are viewed differently by conservatives in which they should be.. Slowly taking down the incentives to grow an impoverised population that will be forever dependent on the federal government is the right thing to do, but I agree that it must be done ever so slowly to reverse the problem, and it should be done with great compassion and help for the time it takes to reach the safe point to be found in it all again.

 

[The Infidel]

Why not? The partial abortion procedure is so finely tuned legally that there is perhaps half a second between the time the baby would have been born but the fetus is (successfully?) stabbed in the back of the head without anesthesia and it's brain's sucked out with some Frankenstein contraption invented by abortionists. Why not cut out all the tension and the covered up cases of manslaughter when the baby accidentally slips out and is killed anyway? Stab them to death on the table on the table, what's the difference? Why not film it so reality show fans can use the grotesque procedure for entertainment disguised as education. Maybe they can bet on how long the baby screams before it is put out of it's misery.

Do you even know WHY a woman might need a partial birth abortion? I guess not, because you sound completely ignorant on the subject.

And also, partial birth abortion is illegal in the US, so why the fuck you lifers keep bringing it up is beyond me.

"That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead"

Audio: Obama argues against Born Alive legislation in IL state senate - YouTube


http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ld-was-just-not-coming-out-limp-and-dead.html

 

[beagle9]

Why not? The partial abortion procedure is so finely tuned legally that there is perhaps half a second between the time the baby would have been born but the fetus is (successfully?) stabbed in the back of the head without anesthesia and it's brain's sucked out with some Frankenstein contraption invented by abortionists. Why not cut out all the tension and the covered up cases of manslaughter when the baby accidentally slips out and is killed anyway? Stab them to death on the table on the table, what's the difference? Why not film it so reality show fans can use the grotesque procedure for entertainment disguised as education. Maybe they can bet on how long the baby screams before it is put out of it's misery.

How these doctors are not being arrested right now as we speak, is a shocker to me in this nation...WOW!

 

[beagle9]

If the baby was already born, Republicans don't care what happens to it. We already know that from their policies.

Another big lie by a demon-crat, as I was a baby who was raised in poverty also in my life, and I had seen a many a presidents come and go in my life growing up (republican and democrat), and guess what ? My mom's welfare, foodstamps and medicade never stopped while we were on these programs, in fact I even got free lunch tokens at school etc. so what were you trying to lie about ?

 

[Zoom-boing]

There is no such thing as a "post-birth abortion". wtf kind of bullshit wording is that?

Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy - post-birth means the pregnancy ended because the person was born, birth ended the pregnancy ... there is no abortion and those using this bullshit terminology of "post-birth abortion" are trying (and failing) to lessen what it actually is. If one ends the life of a born person it's murder and no amount of word massaging will change that.

What the fuck is this world coming to? wtf is wrong with people?

 

[beagle9]

The much vilified Catholic church has supported women in trouble for hundreds of years. Say what you want about priests diddling children which is terrible..but if you do you'll be confusing the issue.

There are MANY charities and organizations that help pregnant women and indigent families.

Saying that pro-lifers don't care is complete bullshit.

They don't give a shit about the baby once it is born, and put a fetus over the life of the woman. The church is well known for its anti woman stance.

Do you make this stuff up, or are you for real ?

 

[Zoom-boing]

The much vilified Catholic church has supported women in trouble for hundreds of years. Say what you want about priests diddling children which is terrible..but if you do you'll be confusing the issue.

There are MANY charities and organizations that help pregnant women and indigent families.

Saying that pro-lifers don't care is complete bullshit.

They don't give a shit about the baby once it is born, and put a fetus over the life of the woman. The church is well known for its anti woman stance.

Do you make this stuff up, or are you for real ?

The retarded shit that falls out of them is truly stunning, isn't it? Makes one wonder how they even manage to breath on their own.

 

[beagle9]

‘After-birth abortion’: Can they be serious? - She The People - The Washington Post

Two ethicists in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

This is the road pro-lifers knew was coming.

From your article.

“We expected that other bioethicists would challenge either the premise or the logical pattern we followed, because this is what happens in academic debates. And we believed we were going to read interesting responses to the argument, as we already read a few on this topic in religious websites.

“However, we never meant to suggest that after-birth abortion should become legal. This was not made clear enough in the paper. Laws are not just about rational ethical arguments, because there are many practical, emotional, social aspects that are relevant in policy making (such as respecting the plurality of ethical views, people’s emotional reactions etc). But we are not policy makers, we are philosophers, and we deal with concepts, not with legal policy.”

Now, a question. Didn't Rick Santurum opt to have no intervention for one of his newborns, and allow her to die? What are the ethics associated with that?

Hmmm, if he was being told that something very bad was wrong I'm guessing by medical, and that the child would be totally deformed or something to that extreme if were born, then I'm sure he was listening closely to the ones whom he felt were the experts, but give to us whom are those that don't know what happened, the rest of the details, and this so we can understand where it is that you are coming from on such a matter of opinion.. Thanks

 

[Saigon]

Beagle, Zoom -

Can you explain what is "retarded" about Noomi's claim?

Because the idea that the Catholic church is not wildly enthusiastic about women's rights is one some people I suspect a little smarter than you have also put forward.

Or are their female popes now?

 

[AquaAthena]

Why not? The partial abortion procedure is so finely tuned legally that there is perhaps half a second between the time the baby would have been born but the fetus is (successfully?) stabbed in the back of the head without anesthesia and it's brain's sucked out with some Frankenstein contraption invented by abortionists. Why not cut out all the tension and the covered up cases of manslaughter when the baby accidentally slips out and is killed anyway? Stab them to death on the table on the table, what's the difference? Why not film it so reality show fans can use the grotesque procedure for entertainment disguised as education. Maybe they can bet on how long the baby screams before it is put out of it's misery.

Has our president changed his mind in support of this inhumane and primitive practice, since this video?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmz-CppGmts]Draw the Line: Barack Obama and Partial Birth Abortion - YouTube[/ame]

 

[AmyNation]

A few academics write a paper, and everyone freaks out

No one is advocating "post-birth" abortion.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Beagle, Zoom -

Can you explain what is "retarded" about Noomi's claim?

Because the idea that the Catholic church is not wildly enthusiastic about women's rights is one some people I suspect a little smarter than you have also put forward.

Or are their female popes now?

The Catholic church charities do much in the way of helping children (and others), try doing a little research. To state that the church 'doesn't give a shit once they're born they only care about the fetus not the woman' is retarded and wrong. For cryin' out loud.

 

[Saigon]

The Catholic church charities do much in the way of helping children (and others), try doing a little research. .

Right.

And what does that have to do with the rights of women?

I took the rest of her comment to be a bit tongue in cheek, myself.

 

[Katzndogz]

Both presidebtial advisors, Cass Sunstein and John Holdren believe that the right of a child to live is the mother's choice up to two years of age. Killing them prior to that is an acceptable post birth abortion.

They have never said whether an injection to put them down is more acceptable than just ripping the living bodies apart.

 

[Zoom-boing]

The Catholic church charities do much in the way of helping children (and others), try doing a little research. .

Right.

And what does that have to do with the rights of women?

I took the rest of her comment to be a bit tongue in cheek, myself.

I answered what was retarded about her post. I am not responsible for what you don't understand.

Beagle, Zoom -

Can you explain what is "retarded" about Noomi's claim?

Because the idea that the Catholic church is not wildly enthusiastic about women's rights is one some people I suspect a little smarter than you have also put forward.

Or are their female popes now?

Ironic post is ironic.

 

[Saigon]

Both presidebtial advisors, Cass Sunstein and John Holdren believe that the right of a child to live is the mother's choice up to two years of age. Killing them prior to that is an acceptable post birth abortion.

That is a lie.

I do wish you'd post honestly, Katz. What do you get out of posting this garbage?