Pope didn't consecrate properly Oils on Holy Thursday

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    I watch the Vatican Easter ceremonies for several years so far. What I notice on Holy Thursday Chrism Mass, is that the bowls with holy oils are not consecrated as they should be. Let me explain.

    There are 3 small bowls with the 3 kinds of holy oils, as well as 3 big bowls. The small bowls are brought before the pope near the altar, and he consecrates them according to the rite. However, the 3 big bowls are never brought before the pope. Instead they stay all the time on the opposite side that is quite far. Is it assumed the consecration of the small bowls is enough for the big ones too, or the blessing crosses the large hall too? I don't know, but seems to me totally illogical. After the ceremony, the Big Bowls are sent to be distributed to the priests and bishops for use throughout the year. Not the small bowls that remain in St Peter's. OK I understand there should be a specialist theologian to look at that. But it looks very disturbing for a lay devote catholic, as I am. Pls watch this year's Chrism Mass Thursday morning Roman time, on EWTN also available online.

    Another disturbing question is that the many hosts distributed to the faithful, are brought from tables not from the altar. Sometimes the camera shows those tables in the footstep of the high altar in St Peter's, with a number of priests who stay around all the time waiting for the moment to distribute the hosts. Do they make consecration on those tables? They are not altars. Perhaps similar questions arise when we see similar appearance of additional thousands of hosts on other big masses not in Rome. For example popular shrines of Marian devotion and apparition, where there are thousands of hosts distributed every mass that have never been present on the altar during consecration. I just don't want to name that shrine, but if you are devote catholic watching online mass, probably you have noticed it too. The tabernacle just cannot handle so many hosts, and there is all the time a walk of priests between tabernacle and altar to put in some cups. Even during the ongoing consecration on the altar, as if it is not important at all - you can still see priests walking behind, not revering the sacrifice that is ongoing on the altar at that very moment. I will not name the church, because I believe Our Lady indeed appears in that village, and do not want that disturbing observation to cast any shadow upon the apparitions themselves. In the summer when the large masses are held on outside altar, the tens of additional cups with hosts are brought on the altar right AFTER the consecration, and then are taken by the priests to be distributed. When, on which mass do they consecrate those hosts? Are we denied the Sacred Body of Christ on such big masses?

    God bless, have a Holy Easter time!
     
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    I just want to add another question:
    What is the purpose of the big massive chandeliers on the altar in St Peter's basilica? You can see the pope almost hiding behind. Why so big? Gold, silver, surely we do not adore them. That is another question why so much gold to be put there on the altar. But...is there any other reason for such 7 massive objects to be there? I just speculate - is there something inside these chandeliers? Do they hide something? And if not, if remember, John Paul II didn't use them. We do not need that gold on the sacred altar, we worship Jesus Christ.

    Please do not answer on the previous post with well known phrases like: "oh yes those are the extra hosts in excess consecrated from previous masses". There are no such previous masses where tens of thousands hosts are consecrated! And if I am not sure of St Peter's, I am sure of M....shrine where there are masses every hour with thousands of people on each of them. Did they consecrate the hosts in the night or in another chapel? I guess similar observations one can make in his own church especially if it is the cathedral with lots of people. In the past I was an altar boy and witnessed how the priest indeed consecrated additional bowls field with hosts and then put them in the tabernacle. Now, I do not see such thing anymore. As if the tabernacle is limitless. I know the rules well, and that's why I ring the bell. Hope someone will take it seriously and will post what he observes too.

    Because if it is right we were denied the Real Presence of Christ, and given simple bread instead, that goes to the road of abomination of desolation, when we will be denied the Eucharist at all. Daniel, "he will cease the eternal sacrifice". Hope not that far, not now!
     

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