Pope calls Nazism "Atheist Extremism"

[Father Time]

I'm not sure if he really believes that crap or if he's just trying to stir shit up for whatever reason but...

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text|CatholicHerald.co.uk

(Video)
BBC News - Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

So how does one get to "there is no God" to eugenics, book burnings, treating Jews (and specifically Jews) as an inferior race etc?

My guess is LSD.

 

[rikules]

I'm not sure if he really believes that crap or if he's just trying to stir shit up for whatever reason (cough boy-fucking) but...

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text|CatholicHerald.co.uk

(Video)
BBC News - Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

So how does one get to "there is no God" to eugenics, book burnings, treating Jews (and specifically Jews) as an inferior race etc?

My guess is LSD.

This pope is either very uneducated on the subject or he is purposely lying

hitler and the nazis PROMOTED religion (in particular protestantism and catholicism)
amongst his followers

there are many instances/cases (documents, meetings, pictures)
of hitler meeting with the pope and establishing "arrangements" and "agreements"

I guess the pope of that day did NOT stand AGAINST nazi tyranny...
but, instead, stood WITH IT

Of course...
the pope needs to defend and protect catholism/religion else, if enough people stopped believing in god/religion he might have to actually work for a living!

and getting free money and living in opulence must be very attactive to him

 

[AllieBaba]

You two are a perfect team. Dumb & Dumber, Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee, Raggedy Ann & Andy.

Yeah, the pope..he's DUMB!

Lol.

 

[Father Time]

You two are a perfect team. Dumb & Dumber, Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee, Raggedy Ann & Andy.

Yeah, the pope..he's DUMB!

Lol.

Wow that sure showed me the error of my ways </sarcasm>

If you don't have anything of value to add, don't bother posting

 

[Father Time]

Don't know if he's apologized for this but

Bishop 'blames Jews' for criticism of Catholic church record on abuse | World news | The Guardian

 

[Ravi]

He's probably trying to deflect for the condoning of pedophile priests by the Catholic Church.

Helloooo Popie, your predecessor was in bed with Hitler you lying sack of shit.

 

[rikules]

You two are a perfect team. Dumb & Dumber, Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee, Raggedy Ann & Andy.

Yeah, the pope..he's DUMB!

Lol.

It's truly nice to see that you, too, have joined in the crusade to behave in a more polite and civilized manner.

I certainly appreciate the fact that you were able to provide rational opinions and defend them with facts and information......

as opposed to just insulting, mocking and ridiculing with out providing any real substance

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm sorry, yours and FT's contribution to this thread was to assert that he was on drugs and stupid.

That's certainly a measured, appropriate and impressive stance! You guys ROCK!

 

[Sheldon]

I think you're pretty much right, but it's also not that cut and dry. Hilter did meet with the Holy See a few times. Lutherans were big supporters in brining the Third Reich to power.

Hilter and the Nazis used religion as a tool to secure power. That was the end game. Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to concentration camps. Protestants weren't uniform in supporting the Nazis. Reverends and church leaders were jailed if they spoke out against the State.

The Nazi's promoted the religious sects of Christianity that goose-stepped along with the Party's ideals at the time, but not religion in general. And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public. The Jews and Communists and all the others just "disappeared"... like when a kid believes his dog is getting sent to the farm upstate.

 

[rikules]

I'm sorry, yours and FT's contribution to this thread was to assert that he was on drugs and stupid.

That's certainly a measured, appropriate and impressive stance! You guys ROCK!

"I'm sorry, yours and FT's contribution to this thread was to assert that he was on drugs and stupid."

NOT mine!

My response was/is;

1. the nazis/hitler had agreements with the pope/catholics
2. the nazis/hitler were big believers in religion and promoted it (and other traditional family values) as "good aryanism"
(which is NOT to suggest that hitler was NOT an atheist....merely that he USED religion to help solidify his populace/aryan base)
3. it is unfair/wrong to equate atheism with naziism; I am a non-believer in gods and religions but I also would NEVER defend or participate in anything as evil as naziism

 

[Ravi]

And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public.

These people knew.

In 1941 Hans Scholl read a copy of a sermon by an outspoken critic of the Nazi regime, Bishop August von Galen, decrying the euthanasia policies (extended that same year to the concentration camps)[2] which the Nazis maintained would protect the European gene pool.[3] Horrified by the Nazi policies, Sophie obtained permission to reprint the sermon and distribute it at the University of Munich as the group's first leaflet prior to their formal organization.[3]

White Rose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rikules]

I think you're pretty much right, but it's also not that cut and dry. Hilter did meet with the Holy See a few times. Lutherans were big supporters in brining the Third Reich to power.

Hilter and the Nazis used religion as a tool to secure power. That was the end game. Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to concentration camps. Protestants weren't uniform in supporting the Nazis. Reverends and church leaders were jailed if they spoke out against the State.

The Nazi's promoted the religious sects of Christianity that goose-stepped along with the Party's ideals at the time, but not religion in general. And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public. The Jews and Communists and all the others just "disappeared"... like when a kid believes his dog is getting sent to the farm upstate.

" And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public."

Though I mostly agree with your post I disagree on this one part.

I have been buying/collecting antiques/collectibles/art/books/ for many years.
In my searches for treasure I have come across a number of magazines and newspapers from the 1930's ....with many articles discussing germany/hitler/nazis/aryanism....when you read a few ORIGINAL SOURCE materials from the 1930s you quickly realize that "they DID know" what was happening!

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm sorry, yours and FT's contribution to this thread was to assert that he was on drugs and stupid.

That's certainly a measured, appropriate and impressive stance! You guys ROCK!

"I'm sorry, yours and FT's contribution to this thread was to assert that he was on drugs and stupid."

NOT mine!

My response was/is;

1. the nazis/hitler had agreements with the pope/catholics
2. the nazis/hitler were big believers in religion and promoted it (and other traditional family values) as "good aryanism"
(which is NOT to suggest that hitler was NOT an atheist....merely that he USED religion to help solidify his populace/aryan base)
3. it is unfair/wrong to equate atheism with naziism; I am a non-believer in gods and religions but I also would NEVER defend or participate in anything as evil as naziism

Read the first sentence of your first post.

 

[martybegan]

I'm not sure if he really believes that crap or if he's just trying to stir shit up for whatever reason (cough boy-fucking) but...

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text|CatholicHerald.co.uk

(Video)
BBC News - Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

So how does one get to "there is no God" to eugenics, book burnings, treating Jews (and specifically Jews) as an inferior race etc?

My guess is LSD.

This pope is either very uneducated on the subject or he is purposely lying

hitler and the nazis PROMOTED religion (in particular protestantism and catholicism)
amongst his followers

there are many instances/cases (documents, meetings, pictures)
of hitler meeting with the pope and establishing "arrangements" and "agreements"

I guess the pope of that day did NOT stand AGAINST nazi tyranny...
but, instead, stood WITH IT

Of course...
the pope needs to defend and protect catholism/religion else, if enough people stopped believing in god/religion he might have to actually work for a living!

and getting free money and living in opulence must be very attactive to him

The arragement was made right after the Nazi's came to power with an agreement regarding the independence of the bavarian catholic church from Prussian protestant domination. This agreement, like most of Hitlers, was almost immidiately broken in multiple ways.

Nazism was inhernently anti-christian, the leaders were just smart enough to save the fight against christianity in general until later. Policies such as dissolving the catholic youth organizations, breaking up the independent religous schools and reducing the number of religous education classes during the school year show you how the Nazis planned to dechristianize germany, through the youth. (like most of thier plans)

Many higher Nazis (Rosenberg, Frank as examples) were virulently anti-christian (due to the obvious jewish roots), proposing a return to the paganistic beliefs of pre roman days. Also plans were made to replace churches in towns with National Socialist learning centers, replacing the cross with a sword and shield, and the bible with Mein Kampf.

 

[Sheldon]

I think you're pretty much right, but it's also not that cut and dry. Hilter did meet with the Holy See a few times. Lutherans were big supporters in brining the Third Reich to power.

Hilter and the Nazis used religion as a tool to secure power. That was the end game. Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to concentration camps. Protestants weren't uniform in supporting the Nazis. Reverends and church leaders were jailed if they spoke out against the State.

The Nazi's promoted the religious sects of Christianity that goose-stepped along with the Party's ideals at the time, but not religion in general. And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public. The Jews and Communists and all the others just "disappeared"... like when a kid believes his dog is getting sent to the farm upstate.

" And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public."

Though I mostly agree with your post I disagree on this one part.

I have been buying/collecting antiques/collectibles/art/books/ for many years.
In my searches for treasure I have come across a number of magazines and newspapers from the 1930's ....with many articles discussing germany/hitler/nazis/aryanism....when you read a few ORIGINAL SOURCE materials from the 1930s you quickly realize that "they DID know" what was happening!

I don't disagree. There was a not-insignificant percent of the general population who had an idea of what was really happening at those camps. It didn't take a genius to figure out that 2+2=4. I don't know which churches knew and which ones didn't.

But check out some of the propaganda films if you haven't. The death camps were played off as work camps with kids playing games and women doing laundry. The Nazi propaganda machine was ruthlessly effective, maybe the most effective in history. Hitler knew that the actual slaughtering of targeted groups had to be done behind the curtain.

 

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The Nazi's were Satanists. All anyone needs to do is to look at all of their occult symbolism and the rituals of the SS. Another dead giveaway was their penchant for killing Jews, who, for anyone who isn't an antichrist trying to deny this fact, are/were God's chosen people. Hitler used Christianity for as long as it was useful to him for gaining and his maintaining his power -- nothing more.

Another sister Satanist regime was and is that of atheistic communism. Note that such regimes who claim; "there is no God" do in fact KNOW very well of His existence, where we merely believe. The demonically possessed and empowered have the benefit of hard knowledge, where we have only our faith. They deny Him, and seek to destroy his people and his Church, "atheism" is just their particular ideological means. Note that communist regimes have more often actively sought the death and holocaust of Christians.

Some would argue that Karl Marx was a true atheist and had no motives other than the pure ideological purpose freeing mankind from the shackles of religion (however much blood were necessary to shed in order to achieve this 'noble' task), but let's take a gander at some choice words from his own poetry:

"Thus Heaven I've forfeited,
I know it full well,
My soul, once true to God,
Is chosen for Hell."

 

[blu]

I'm not sure if he really believes that crap or if he's just trying to stir shit up for whatever reason (cough boy-fucking) but...

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text|CatholicHerald.co.uk

(Video)
BBC News - Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

So how does one get to "there is no God" to eugenics, book burnings, treating Jews (and specifically Jews) as an inferior race etc?

My guess is LSD.

This pope is either very uneducated on the subject or he is purposely lying

hitler and the nazis PROMOTED religion (in particular protestantism and catholicism)
amongst his followers

there are many instances/cases (documents, meetings, pictures)
of hitler meeting with the pope and establishing "arrangements" and "agreements"

I guess the pope of that day did NOT stand AGAINST nazi tyranny...
but, instead, stood WITH IT

Of course...
the pope needs to defend and protect catholism/religion else, if enough people stopped believing in god/religion he might have to actually work for a living!

and getting free money and living in opulence must be very attactive to him

 

[Bill Angel]

I think you're pretty much right, but it's also not that cut and dry. Hilter did meet with the Holy See a few times. Lutherans were big supporters in brining the Third Reich to power.

Hilter and the Nazis used religion as a tool to secure power. That was the end game. Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to concentration camps. Protestants weren't uniform in supporting the Nazis. Reverends and church leaders were jailed if they spoke out against the State.

The Nazi's promoted the religious sects of Christianity that goose-stepped along with the Party's ideals at the time, but not religion in general. And the churches probably didn't know about the the death camps because they were largely hidden from the German public. The Jews and Communists and all the others just "disappeared"... like when a kid believes his dog is getting sent to the farm upstate.

Heinrich Himmler was arguably the most powerful functionary in Nazi Germany.
It is well documented that his beliefs were slanted to the occult and astrology.
And it is impossible to believe that Himmler and others of his ilk would seek their salvation by worshiping Jesus as a deity, a person whose racial origins were Jewish!

A speech Himmler made to senior SS men in 1942 reveals his attitude towards Christianity:
"This Christendom, this greatest pestilence which could have befallen us in history, which has weakened us for every conflict, we must finish with."

 

[rikules]

I'm not sure if he really believes that crap or if he's just trying to stir shit up for whatever reason (cough boy-fucking) but...

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text|CatholicHerald.co.uk

(Video)
BBC News - Row after Pope's remarks on atheism and Nazis

So how does one get to "there is no God" to eugenics, book burnings, treating Jews (and specifically Jews) as an inferior race etc?

My guess is LSD.

This pope is either very uneducated on the subject or he is purposely lying

hitler and the nazis PROMOTED religion (in particular protestantism and catholicism)
amongst his followers

there are many instances/cases (documents, meetings, pictures)
of hitler meeting with the pope and establishing "arrangements" and "agreements"

I guess the pope of that day did NOT stand AGAINST nazi tyranny...
but, instead, stood WITH IT

Of course...
the pope needs to defend and protect catholism/religion else, if enough people stopped believing in god/religion he might have to actually work for a living!

and getting free money and living in opulence must be very attactive to him

The arragement was made right after the Nazi's came to power with an agreement regarding the independence of the bavarian catholic church from Prussian protestant domination. This agreement, like most of Hitlers, was almost immidiately broken in multiple ways.

Nazism was inhernently anti-christian, the leaders were just smart enough to save the fight against christianity in general until later. Policies such as dissolving the catholic youth organizations, breaking up the independent religous schools and reducing the number of religous education classes during the school year show you how the Nazis planned to dechristianize germany, through the youth. (like most of thier plans)

Many higher Nazis (Rosenberg, Frank as examples) were virulently anti-christian (due to the obvious jewish roots), proposing a return to the paganistic beliefs of pre roman days. Also plans were made to replace churches in towns with National Socialist learning centers, replacing the cross with a sword and shield, and the bible with Mein Kampf.

"Nazism was inhernently anti-christian,"


Adolf Hitler: Compromises with Atheism Destroy Religious, Ethical Values - Adolf Hitler Promoted Christians as the Foundation for Moral, Ethical Life


In his speech before the Reichstag on Mach 23, 1933, just before the Enable Act is passed, Adolf Hitler claims that atheistic organizations are a danger and furthermore that the government must promote religion:

By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values.

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again
regardless of whether the nazi leaders were pagan, or atheist or religious of any kind...

they USED/PROMOTED the christian religion amongst their followers/base

almost ALL of whom were protestant or catholic

The millions of german/aryan/nazis who BUILT THE OVENS and CREMATORIUMS and marched into poland and murdered/slaughtered millions of innocent people were CHRISTIANS who BELIEVED that hitler and their nazi leaders were ALSO christians

there is a book "Lunacy becomes us" by Clara Leiser, 1939, (note...1939!!!!!!!)
in which one can read many quotes from both nazi leaders and THE german PEOPLE

in it is a section on religion and there are MANY quotes from BOTH the NAZI LEADERS and the AVERAGE JOE ARYAN showing that the leaders USED RELIGION (christianity) and the followers WERE CHRISTIANS..

there is even at least one quote from a woman thanking god for giving them hitler

The nazi leaders MAY HAVE BEEN anti-christian but the MILLIONS of aryan germans who did all the actual slaughtering were NOT.

note: I do NOT intend this to convey the impression that I am anti-religion or that I blame christians for the holocaust. I believe MOST christians to be decent and honorable people.
Unfortunately decent and honorable people are fooled/tricked into behaving badly on a regular basis.

 

[martybegan]

This pope is either very uneducated on the subject or he is purposely lying

hitler and the nazis PROMOTED religion (in particular protestantism and catholicism)
amongst his followers

there are many instances/cases (documents, meetings, pictures)
of hitler meeting with the pope and establishing "arrangements" and "agreements"

I guess the pope of that day did NOT stand AGAINST nazi tyranny...
but, instead, stood WITH IT

Of course...
the pope needs to defend and protect catholism/religion else, if enough people stopped believing in god/religion he might have to actually work for a living!

and getting free money and living in opulence must be very attactive to him

The arragement was made right after the Nazi's came to power with an agreement regarding the independence of the bavarian catholic church from Prussian protestant domination. This agreement, like most of Hitlers, was almost immidiately broken in multiple ways.

Nazism was inhernently anti-christian, the leaders were just smart enough to save the fight against christianity in general until later. Policies such as dissolving the catholic youth organizations, breaking up the independent religous schools and reducing the number of religous education classes during the school year show you how the Nazis planned to dechristianize germany, through the youth. (like most of thier plans)

Many higher Nazis (Rosenberg, Frank as examples) were virulently anti-christian (due to the obvious jewish roots), proposing a return to the paganistic beliefs of pre roman days. Also plans were made to replace churches in towns with National Socialist learning centers, replacing the cross with a sword and shield, and the bible with Mein Kampf.

"Nazism was inhernently anti-christian,"


Adolf Hitler: Compromises with Atheism Destroy Religious, Ethical Values - Adolf Hitler Promoted Christians as the Foundation for Moral, Ethical Life


In his speech before the Reichstag on Mach 23, 1933, just before the Enable Act is passed, Adolf Hitler claims that atheistic organizations are a danger and furthermore that the government must promote religion:

By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values.

-----------------

again
regardless of whether the nazi leaders were pagan, or atheist or religious of any kind...

they USED/PROMOTED the christian religion amongst their followers/base

almost ALL of whom were protestant or catholic

The millions of german/aryan/nazis who BUILT THE OVENS and CREMATORIUMS and marched into poland and murdered/slaughtered millions of innocent people were CHRISTIANS who BELIEVED that hitler and their nazi leaders were ALSO christians

there is a book "Lunacy becomes us" by Clara Leiser, 1939, (note...1939!!!!!!!)
in which one can read many quotes from both nazi leaders and THE german PEOPLE

in it is a section on religion and there are MANY quotes from BOTH the NAZI LEADERS and the AVERAGE JOE ARYAN showing that the leaders USED RELIGION (christianity) and the followers WERE CHRISTIANS..

there is even at least one quote from a woman thanking god for giving them hitler

The nazi leaders MAY HAVE BEEN anti-christian but the MILLIONS of aryan germans who did all the actual slaughtering were NOT.

note: I do NOT intend this to convey the impression that I am anti-religion or that I blame christians for the holocaust. I believe MOST christians to be decent and honorable people.
Unfortunately decent and honorable people are fooled/tricked into behaving badly on a regular basis.

So you are using words from a Hilter speech. The same hitler who in speeches to the reichstag and other groups said he wasnt interested in re-militarizing (he did), not interested in merging with austria (he merged), wanted only to assure the sudenten germans were well taken care of (took over Chzeckoslovakia) and had no intention of taking over poland (that whole start of WW II thing). Anything hitler said in public cannot be taken at face value. He was a prolific liar in public. It is the actions of the Nazis that you have to go with, all those private speeches we have records of, and all the documents that fell into our hands at the end of the war.

Sure they talked a good game as to supporting the churches when it suited them, but the end game, was POWER.