Poor Charlie Gard - A Victim of Government Controlled Healthcare

[jillian]

so is it better when an insurance conglomerate with a profit motive refuses to pay for care ... just because"?

Because of you, as the customer, have the choice of health insurance YOU want and NOT what the government mandates.

We have the best doctors, specialists, and other professionals because we have a profit system. They come here from all over the world to practice with the best equipment, available equipment, and facilities in the world.

No it's because medical care shouldn't be premised on a for profit model.

It is meaningless that we have the best medical care (although that is up for discussion) if you can't ACCESS that care

 

[Markle]

No it's because medical care shouldn't be premised on a for profit model.

Gee, that would be wonderful IF we lived in your rainbows and unicorn world. Far departed from the real world.

Compared to the United States, what country, or several countries have accomplished more with regard to new life saving or extending drugs, technology and procedures?

 

[Markle]

so is it better when an insurance conglomerate with a profit motive refuses to pay for care ... just because"?

As you know, a health insurance company has no power, nor should they, to prevent the patient from paying for the care in their own country or traveling to another country. Shouldn't that be the choice of the customer, what type of health insurance and whatever limits THEY want on their policy?

 

[Spare_change]

so is it better when an insurance conglomerate with a profit motive refuses to pay for care ... just because"?

As you know, a health insurance company has no power, nor should they, to prevent the patient from paying for the care in their own country or traveling to another country. Shouldn't that be the choice of the customer, what type of health insurance and whatever limits THEY want on their policy?

"He who has the gold, rules."

The NHS has the gold in England - they make the rules.

 

[jillian]

No it's because medical care shouldn't be premised on a for profit model.

Gee, that would be wonderful IF we lived in your rainbows and unicorn world. Far departed from the real world.

Compared to the United States, what country, or several countries have accomplished more with regard to new life saving or extending drugs, technology and procedures?

how is it rainbows and unicorns when it's done all over the western world except for here, dum dum?

 

[depotoo]

Ten cases like Charlie Gard’s heard in English courts this year

 

[OldLady]

I think it is an awful shame that this poor child's illness and death is being used as a scare tactic in opposition to universal healthcare.
May Charlie rest in peace. May you folks politicizing his misfortune in such an obscene way, go soak your heads!!!!!

 

[HenryBHough]

"Rest in peace"?

If there is just God the child's "shade" will haunt every waking moment of those in the British Health Care Command-and-Control system and the judges who have his blood on their hands.

Makes me WANT to believe in ghosts.

 

[OldLady]

"Rest in peace"?

If there is just God the child's "shade" will haunt every waking moment of those in the British Health Care Command-and-Control system and the judges who have his blood on their hands.

Makes me WANT to believe in ghosts.

The British Health Care system didn't kill Charlie. A rare genetic disorder did. For awhile, machines kept him alive until it was determined there was no hope. The American doctors with the experimental treatment went to England and examined him and told the parents there was no hope. The British court did not rule incorrectly. They were right. By keeping the child alive artificially, it was just prolonging his suffering to no end.

We have had plenty of painful cases like this in the US. Remember the young woman in the coma for years. Long court battle over whether to pull the plug. (Pull the plug won) Cases where a parent's beliefs caused them to refuse life saving treatment for a child. Courts do sometimes need to get involved. It's not a death panel.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The American doctors who went to England said that the courts had delayed treatment for so long, NOW there was no hope.

It's a death panel when the family wants to pay for treatment and the court says no. That's what happened with Charlie Gard.

Next time it will be some old person who needs a new hip, or a broken leg set, or swallowing therapy after a stroke and HAS THE MONEY TO PAY, and the single payer system says no. You can't pay. It's single payer. Your paying out of pocket is illegal. Now die.

 

[WinterBorn]

The American doctors who went to England said that the courts had delayed treatment for so long, NOW there was no hope.

It's a death panel when the family wants to pay for treatment and the court says no. That's what happened with Charlie Gard.

Next time it will be some old person who needs a new hip, or a broken leg set, or swallowing therapy after a stroke and HAS THE MONEY TO PAY, and the single payer system says no. You can't pay. It's single payer. Your paying out of pocket is illegal. Now die.

And the American, British and international doctors say that Charlie showed signs of pain. The disease he had has never been successfully treated and there is absolutely no evidence the treatment they sought would do anything at all. But this poor baby was kept on machines, in pain, to satisfy some "feel good" emotional nonsense.

Charlie Gard died because of a genetic disorder. His organs broken down. There is no fixing that.

 

[Cecilie1200]

so is it better when an insurance conglomerate with a profit motive refuses to pay for care ... just because"?

Because of you, as the customer, have the choice of health insurance YOU want and NOT what the government mandates.

We have the best doctors, specialists, and other professionals because we have a profit system. They come here from all over the world to practice with the best equipment, available equipment, and facilities in the world.

No it's because medical care shouldn't be premised on a for profit model.

It is meaningless that we have the best medical care (although that is up for discussion) if you can't ACCESS that care

It always gives me a cold chill up my spine when left-thinkers use the word "should", because it always means they're going to fuck up life for everyone in their pursuit of some impossible cosmic justice utopia.

The reality is that EVERYTHING is economics, including medical care. The fact that you WANT it to be about giving you whatever you want at the moment with no inconvenience to you doesn't change that. Which leads us to the fact that everyone in this country can access medical care. They may not be able to access as much as you want them to as cheaply as you want them to, but that's not the same thing.

 

[dblack]

I haven't really been following the story, but "Poor Charlie Gard" just screams "folk song".