Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

[gautama]

Toroshit,

Is THIS your way of weaseling out of the checkmate, you Obamarrhoidal arsehole ????

You have no idea what we are discussing. You are completely clueless.

And you have a weird scatalogical obsession.

Toroshit,

Your pusillanimous dodge is noted.

At least you didn't try to distort or obfuscate the irrefutable facts that:

"...... DICK MORRIS IS VOCIFEROUSLY AGAINST THE CATASTROPHIC MARXIST AGENDA OF THE EX-COMMUNITY ORGANIZER FROM THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE "ACORN"........AND THE "SHINING STAR" WHO WHIZZED THRU THE RANKS OF THE MOST NOTORIOUSLY CORRUPT COMMIE/MAFIOSO LADEN CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE WHERE EVEN A DOG-CATCHER CAN'T GET ELECTED WITHOUT THE OK OF THE TOP CROOKS !!!! "

Carry on, fool.

 

[Toro]

Toroshit,

Is THIS your way of weaseling out of the checkmate, you Obamarrhoidal arsehole ????

You have no idea what we are discussing. You are completely clueless.

And you have a weird scatalogical obsession.

Toroshit,

Your pusillanimous dodge is noted.

Carry on, fool.

Only in your padded cell would you think that.

You can't think for yourself on this. You are way out of your depth so you resort to "Read this book," which I'm used to getting from 9/11 inside job and the other twoofers. You're too stupid to know when to STFU.

The twoofers look positively sane compared to you.

 

[gautama]

You have no idea what we are discussing. You are completely clueless.

And you have a weird scatalogical obsession.

Toroshit,

Your pusillanimous dodge is noted.

Carry on, fool.

Only in your padded cell would you think that.

You can't think for yourself on this. You are way out of your depth so you resort to "Read this book," which I'm used to getting from 9/11 inside job and the other twoofers. You're too stupid to know when to STFU.

The twoofers look positively sane compared to you.

WHOA !!!!!.....Toroshit.....WHOA !!!!!

While not trying to distort or obfuscate the IRREFUTABLE FACTS about your Hero & Idol Obami Salaami.......you chose to take the more DRASTIC step of ELIMINATING the IRREFUTABLE DATA about the POS entirely from my preceding post !!!!!

DIDJA THINK YOU'D GET AWAY WITH THAT, YOU ABYSMAL OBAMMARRHOIDAL FART ?!?!?!?

C'mon Toroshit, face the music like a man, instead of some punk-arsed insect !

 

[Old Rocks]

Good lord. See the nice nurse. She has some pretty pills for you, and you can go back to your prettyly upholstered room.

 

[McDowell's]

Well if there ever were an argument for raising the ceiling that would be it.

I was reading an article yesterday or the day before about how the DoD budget is so insane and complex that the CBO can't even do a comprehensive audit.

I don't know if that's a completely accurate statement. Are all of the federal governments expeditures entirely domestic? I know the DoD contracts extensively with foreign firms. Cutting those contracts would be GDP neutral. Some targeted reductions of Social Security payments wouldn't have a drastic affect on the overall economy. There are many people pulling a Social Security check who would not change their spending patterns one cent if they were not receiving a Social Security check. SS is not included in the calculation of GDP so making targeted cuts to SS payments would be a neutral place cut in reference to GDP.

Means testing for SS will probably be one of the targeted reductions, which I agree would probably not have a negative impact on GDP. No idea how many DoD contracts go to foreign firms. My guess is they favor domestic corps where possible, but maybe not.

I think this OP lays out good reasons for a scaled draw-down during a stabler economic period, instead of a guillotine right now.

I agree he made a good point that the deficit should be handled gradually. At the same time, there are significant cuts that can be made in government expenditures which would have very little impact on overall GDP. Two of our government's largest budget items can take substantial cuts without dramatically affecting GDP like he suggested.

On the flipside, if you want to address the deficit by raising taxes, GDP concerns are just as or even more relevant. If the government raises taxes without a corresponding increase in expenditures, everything else being equal, there will be a negative effect on GDP. If the government increases expenditures as a result of increased revenues, GDP will probably not be adversely affected, but we won't have made progress on the debt.

The OP didn't come out and say this but to me the implication was that you have to raise the debt ceiling and potentially raise taxes to address the deficit because cutting costs would be detrimental to GDP. I agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised, but cutting certain government expenditures would be the less painful route to start addressing the deficit from a GDP perspective.

My only question is why didn't the OP address the other side of the issue in that there are many claiming we don't have an expenditure problem that can't be solved by raising taxes. The concerns he laid out for only cutting expenditures are even more applicable to the scenario of only raising taxes.

 

[Dr Grump]

Toro,

Why are you even bothering. This is so beneath you.....

 

[gautama]

Toro,

Why are you even bothering. This is so beneath you.....

Toroshit, you are really in the shit house with a loser like the Obamarrhoidal Humpy Grumpy attempting to bail your money-making arse out.

 

[editec]

We cannot refuse to pay the debt owed by our government to social sercurity.

What part of that is OWED are you failing to grasp, exactly?

OWEd, not in some socialistic sense, rather owed in the CAPITALISTIC sense..in that social secutiry funding purchased GOVERNMENT BONDS.

So if we renege on SSI debts (in the form of bonds) we'd also have to renege on ALL bonds, sold by the USA.

You think the us citizens (and foreignor government and banks too) holding TRILLIONS of dollars worth of those US government issued debt instruments are going to stand by while our govenernment reneges on those bonds?

Apparently some of you do.

Such ignorance as that is rather hard to respond to.

I mean.. I am responding to it, but if you don't understand something THIS FUNDAMENTAL, I don't have much hope that you'll be able to get this point, either.

SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT BROKE.

The US government IS.

BIG difference, kids.

 

[Toro]

Toro,

Why are you even bothering. This is so beneath you.....

Yeah I know. I think that every time I answer one of gaytardma's posts. Who's crazier, the crazy guy or the guy who argues with the crazy guy?

 

[Toro]

WHOA !!!!!.....Toroshit.....WHOA !!!!!

While not trying to distort or obfuscate the IRREFUTABLE FACTS about your Hero & Idol Obami Salaami.......you chose to take the more DRASTIC step of ELIMINATING the IRREFUTABLE DATA about the POS entirely from my preceding post !!!!!

DIDJA THINK YOU'D GET AWAY WITH THAT, YOU ABYSMAL OBAMMARRHOIDAL FART ?!?!?!?

C'mon Toroshit, face the music like a man, instead of some punk-arsed insect !

gaytardma

Unlike insane ramblings, weird scatalogical obsessions, calling Democrats Marxists, and being a racist, math and critical analysis aren't your strong points. Since the best you can do is "read this book," we know you can read. So read the budget.

 

[gautama]

Toro,

Why are you even bothering. This is so beneath you.....

Yeah I know. I think that every time I answer one of gaytardma's posts. Who's crazier, the crazy guy or the guy who argues with the crazy guy?

Toroshit,

About your Idol & Hero ?

You know, the Community Organizing guy from the Criminal Enterprise "ACORN" who rose like greased lightening through the Most Notoriously Corrupt Political Machine in the Nation ? The Commie/Mafioso laden Chicago Political Machine where not even a dog-catcher gets elected unless given the OK by the Top Crooks......yeah, that MONUMENTAL FRAUD. Pathological LIAR, Stone Cold MARXIST and MuslimArselicker Obami Salaami........with that history behind him ...... no wonder you just can't wait to discuss his Econ credentials buttressed by his experience at ACORN and the Chicago Political Machine...... or are you ?????

One might get the impression you're dodging because all I hear is how crazy I am for bringing that up !!!!!

 

[M14 Shooter]

We cannot refuse to pay the debt owed by our government to social sercurity.
hat part of that is OWED are you failing to grasp, exactly?

Nothing is owed to the SSTF - the "IOUs" are nothing more than an accounting gimick.
There is absolutely no compulsion to pay this back.

OWEd, not in some socialistic sense, rather owed in the CAPITALISTIC sense..in that social secutiry funding purchased GOVERNMENT BONDS.

Yes... which is the same as you taking a $20 from your wallet and putting it in your front pocket.

So if we renege on SSI debts (in the form of bonds) we'd also have to renege on ALL bonds, sold by the USA.

Non sequtur.

You think the us citizens (and foreignor government and banks too) holding TRILLIONS of dollars worth of those US government issued debt instruments are going to stand by while our govenernment reneges on those bonds?

This, based on your non sequitur, above, is meaningless.

SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT BROKE.
The US government IS.

No difference.

 

[Trajan]

WHOA !!!!!.....Toroshit.....WHOA !!!!!

While not trying to distort or obfuscate the IRREFUTABLE FACTS about your Hero & Idol Obami Salaami.......you chose to take the more DRASTIC step of ELIMINATING the IRREFUTABLE DATA about the POS entirely from my preceding post !!!!!

DIDJA THINK YOU'D GET AWAY WITH THAT, YOU ABYSMAL OBAMMARRHOIDAL FART ?!?!?!?

C'mon Toroshit, face the music like a man, instead of some punk-arsed insect !

gaytardma

Unlike insane ramblings, weird scatalogical obsessions, calling Democrats Marxists, and being a racist, math and critical analysis aren't your strong points. Since the best you can do is "read this book," we know you can read. So read the budget.

put him on ignore bro, I just did.......

 

[Sheldon]

Toro,

Why are you even bothering. This is so beneath you.....

Yeah I know. I think that every time I answer one of gaytardma's posts. Who's crazier, the crazy guy or the guy who argues with the crazy guy?

You should never argue with a crazy mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mind!


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[kiwiman127]

The Tea Party movement is supposed to be the engine driving Republicans' push for sharp cuts to spending and reform entitlements. Representative Paul Ryan's 2012 budget, which passed the House last week, phases out Medicare for people under 55 and turns Medicaid into block grants. But it turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, strongly oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid. A new McClatchy-Marist poll shows 70 percent of "Tea Party supporters" oppose cutting those programs--and 80 percent of registered voters agree.

70% of Tea Partiers Don't Want to Cut Medicare Either - Politics - The Atlantic Wire


So, when it comes to something like Medicare and I'd guess Social Security, those anti-socialist become socialist.
Oh, ,the irony!

 

[Stephanie]

oh yeah folks, we are SUPPOSE to believe that they POLLED 70% of people who BELONG TO the Tea Party.

youbetcha.

 

[Avatar4321]

I question who they polled. But if it's true, then we have alot of educating left to do. We clearly can't keep doing this.

 

[Stephanie]

Good grief, the Atlantic wire site looks and reads like the National Enquire.

 

[kiwiman127]

Good grief, the Atlantic wire site looks and reads like the National Enquire.

Stephanie, you really need to get out once in awhile.
The Atlantic is a very highly regarded publication that is read around the world. It has top notch contributors from all political avenues.
Now just today you have shown total ignorance regarding The Atlantic, it appears to me that you have never heard of it. Most well informed people have heard of it AND it has been used as a resource by righties on these very boards.
Regarding the poll, yeah that's the ticket,,,that just made it up!!! When push comes to shove, people like to defend what they perceive as something of their own and the Tea Party members are no different. Politically speaking, I'd say they represent a minority, but demographically speaking, I'd care to bet most are Middle Class. The Middle Class would be hit hard economically by Ryan's plan for Medicare. Their cost of health care would go up dramatically as the "voucher" plan of Ryan's doesn't keep up with the cost of health care insurance, it's not even close. Now consider that more and more of the Middle Class lives check-to-check, how in the world does anyone expect that group to be able to continue to afford health care coverage?
The reaction by the Middle Class Tea Baggers doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[kiwiman127]

I question who they polled. But if it's true, then we have alot of educating left to do. We clearly can't keep doing this.

Avatar, ever cost analysis has shown that if Ryan's plan was enacted, most of those who are dependent on Medicare today couldn't afford the change.
I think those who are "for" Ryan's plan and are either Middle Class or poor aren't thinking with their wallets, they are thinking that way because their ideology tells them to think that way and by golly, they do it!