[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Gadawg73]

With liberals they talk the BS about everyone should pay their "fair share" but in reality what they really want is for them and their government leaders to be the THE SOLE DETERMINERS of what is "fair" and what is not "fair".
And after they have determined that then everyone else must have money that they earned to be plundered and stolen by force by the government to give to someone else.
All because they want to be "fair".

 

[Billo_Really]

Fair share is not paying a lesser rate than me.

 

[blackhawk]

Fair share is everyone but you paying more.

 

[tooAlive]

Fair share is everyone but you paying more.

Gotta give the libs props for being honest.

 

[Gadawg73]

Fair share is not paying a lesser rate than me.

The tax code with it's 56,000 pages of special interest "law" is the problem.
If you are really interested in giving the power back to the people and MOST IMPORTANTLY, stripping it from politicians then you OPPOSE the tax code. It alone was written to benefit the politicians and the carrot it allows them to dangle in front of special interest groups.
56,000 pages to prove it. 1200 more this year.

FAIR TAX

 

[thereisnospoon]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range (even though nobody ever paid that rate), but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for all with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

You'll never get a straight answer.
Libs who scream 'fair share' have bought into class envy and class warfare.
Libs who are a part of the class envy crowd turn to government because that is where taxation begins. Libs will scream, pray cajole even demand their liberal leadership "please do something to get rid of these rich people. And if you cannot get rid of them, at least take their money. Because they don't deserve it."
The reality is libs do not view taxation as a means to raise revenue. They view taxation as a way to punish those who make them uncomfortable.

 

[KissMy]

I don't care what the bullshit tax rate says on paper. The effective tax rate is the problem. The middle class pays the largest percent of their income in taxes. The rich pay lower effective tax rates and are therefore subsidized by the middle class. If you post something stupid like the rich pay the majority of this countries tax then you are clearly to retarded to understand tax subsidies & how they unleveled the playing field. Payroll taxes only penalize the middle class. Business fire the over taxed middle class US workers to maximize profit by hiring lower taxed labor in other countries. The rich do not pay payroll taxes above $100k. They also only pay the cut rate dividend income rate & not full tax earned income tax rate. Total effective tax rate must be the same top to bottom or the tax code is redistributing wealth to the rich. Because all money & investment flows to where it is taxed less & treated the best. That is why the rich have all the money & pay the most tax, but lower effective tax rate. Trickle up economics is what we have here in the USA. That shit needs to end A.S.A.P.

 

[Gadawg73]

Who determines what is "fair"?

 

[Gadawg73]

It is always fair to a liberal when you can plunder money from people to give it to other people that they alone determined needed the money more than the person that worked hard and earned it.

Doesn't sound very fair at all to me. Goes against everything I learned as a child.

Life is not fair and when it isn't you do not go around bitching about it demanding that someone else give you money that they earned from their own hard work.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range, but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for al with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

You either misunderstand the issue or are misrepresenting it.

The issue has nothing to do with a ‘fair share ‘ or some ‘specific number.’

The issue concerns the fallacy of ‘trickle-down economics,’ where taxes are lowered for high-income earners, yet tax rates remain the same for middle and low-income earners.

Oh bullshit. You don't get to use the term 'fair share' if you are not willing to say what the
'share' is...

 

[tooAlive]

I don't care what the bullshit tax rate says on paper. The effective tax rate is the problem. The middle class pays the largest percent of their income in taxes. The rich pay lower effective tax rates and are therefore subsidized by the middle class. If you post something stupid like the rich pay the majority of this countries tax then you are clearly to retarded to understand tax subsidies & how they unleveled the playing field. Payroll taxes only penalize the middle class. Business fire the over taxed middle class US workers to maximize profit by hiring lower taxed labor in other countries. The rich do not pay payroll taxes above $100k. They also only pay the cut rate dividend income rate & not full tax earned income tax rate. Total effective tax rate must be the same top to bottom or the tax code is redistributing wealth to the rich. Because all money & investment flows to where it is taxed less & treated the best. That is why the rich have all the money & pay the most tax, but lower effective tax rate. Trickle up economics is what we have here in the USA. That shit needs to end A.S.A.P.

Excellent. We have another supporter of the flat tax.

 

[blackhawk]

Fair share is all liberals claiming the rich don't pay their fair share paying more.

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this.....................

Why would Liberals be against a FLAT TAX or FAIR TAX? No loop holes, you pay the percentage and your done. Send a post card in to the IRS at the end of year for a Tax Return. Americans wouldn't have to worry about the 10's of THOUSANDS OF PAGES of REGULATIONS currently on the books.

I file my own taxes, and can do it very quickly, but I'd rather just send a post card in and be done with it. It would also allow us to CUT THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT AS WE WOULDN'T NEED SO MANY IN THE IRS ANYMORE....................

Ooops. I just answered my own RIDDLE.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Back in the 1950s, when the top marginal tax rate was more than 90 percent, real annual growth averaged more than 4 percent. During the last eight years, when the top marginal rate was just 35 percent, real growth was less than half that. Altogether, in years when the top marginal rate was lower than 39.6 percent — the top rate during the 1990s — annual real growth averaged 2.1 percent. In years when the rate was 39.6 percent or higher, real growth averaged 3.8 percent. The pattern is the same regardless of threshold. Take 50 percent, for example. Growth in years when the tax rate was less than 50 percent averaged 2.7 percent. In years with tax rates at or more than 50 percent, growth was 3.7 percent.


CHART: Since 1950, Lower Top Tax Rates Have Coincided With Weaker Economic Growth | ThinkProgress

High taxes do not stem economic growth.
EVER.
Think progress is a liberal blog that has a far left wing agenda and ZERO credibility.
BTW, those wealthy people that thinkprogress oays to put their point of view on the internet are the very same people they are targeting.
Now I know why tigers eat their young.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Back in the 1950s, when the top marginal tax rate was more than 90 percent, real annual growth averaged more than 4 percent. During the last eight years, when the top marginal rate was just 35 percent, real growth was less than half that. Altogether, in years when the top marginal rate was lower than 39.6 percent — the top rate during the 1990s — annual real growth averaged 2.1 percent. In years when the rate was 39.6 percent or higher, real growth averaged 3.8 percent. The pattern is the same regardless of threshold. Take 50 percent, for example. Growth in years when the tax rate was less than 50 percent averaged 2.7 percent. In years with tax rates at or more than 50 percent, growth was 3.7 percent.


CHART: Since 1950, Lower Top Tax Rates Have Coincided With Weaker Economic Growth | ThinkProgress

Gee, why don'r they just go French and take it all?
Ya know what your FAIL is? When you run out of people and things to tax for your socialist central planning bullshit, you collapse the country. See "the Eurozone"..

 

[thereisnospoon]

No one knows what a fair share is it's just a talking point used to promote class warfare for political gain.

You get repped for that!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't care what the bullshit tax rate says on paper. The effective tax rate is the problem. The middle class pays the largest percent of their income in taxes. The rich pay lower effective tax rates and are therefore subsidized by the middle class. If you post something stupid like the rich pay the majority of this countries tax then you are clearly to retarded to understand tax subsidies & how they unleveled the playing field. Payroll taxes only penalize the middle class. Business fire the over taxed middle class US workers to maximize profit by hiring lower taxed labor in other countries. The rich do not pay payroll taxes above $100k. They also only pay the cut rate dividend income rate & not full tax earned income tax rate. Total effective tax rate must be the same top to bottom or the tax code is redistributing wealth to the rich. Because all money & investment flows to where it is taxed less & treated the best. That is why the rich have all the money & pay the most tax, but lower effective tax rate. Trickle up economics is what we have here in the USA. That shit needs to end A.S.A.P.

Your say so isn't good enough. Provide some data.

 

[KissMy]

I don't care what the bullshit tax rate says on paper. The effective tax rate is the problem. The middle class pays the largest percent of their income in taxes. The rich pay lower effective tax rates and are therefore subsidized by the middle class. If you post something stupid like the rich pay the majority of this countries tax then you are clearly to retarded to understand tax subsidies & how they unleveled the playing field. Payroll taxes only penalize the middle class. Business fire the over taxed middle class US workers to maximize profit by hiring lower taxed labor in other countries. The rich do not pay payroll taxes above $100k. They also only pay the cut rate dividend income rate & not full tax earned income tax rate. Total effective tax rate must be the same top to bottom or the tax code is redistributing wealth to the rich. Because all money & investment flows to where it is taxed less & treated the best. That is why the rich have all the money & pay the most tax, but lower effective tax rate. Trickle up economics is what we have here in the USA. That shit needs to end A.S.A.P.

Your say so isn't good enough. Provide some data.

Through income tax alone the middle class pays the highest effective tax rate. When you add in payroll taxes the middle class gets completely screwed. Income tax facts from the IRS: From 2001 to 2007 the people with the highest income got the biggest percentage cuts in their actual tax payments. The middle class had to subsidize the rich even more than before. In 2007 once you start making $2 million a year your effective tax rates go down & you are being subsidized. Workers making $200K were paying higher effective income tax rates than billionaires. That is before adding in payroll taxes that make the rates even worse.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There seems to be some concern for the breadth and scope of the tax code on the part of conservatives here. Perhaps they should stop voting for legislators who insist on keeping the code complicated.

A progressive tax system can be very simple and easy to manage. If you don't have all the ways for wealthy people to avoid paying up that is.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't care what the bullshit tax rate says on paper. The effective tax rate is the problem. The middle class pays the largest percent of their income in taxes. The rich pay lower effective tax rates and are therefore subsidized by the middle class. If you post something stupid like the rich pay the majority of this countries tax then you are clearly to retarded to understand tax subsidies & how they unleveled the playing field. Payroll taxes only penalize the middle class. Business fire the over taxed middle class US workers to maximize profit by hiring lower taxed labor in other countries. The rich do not pay payroll taxes above $100k. They also only pay the cut rate dividend income rate & not full tax earned income tax rate. Total effective tax rate must be the same top to bottom or the tax code is redistributing wealth to the rich. Because all money & investment flows to where it is taxed less & treated the best. That is why the rich have all the money & pay the most tax, but lower effective tax rate. Trickle up economics is what we have here in the USA. That shit needs to end A.S.A.P.

Your say so isn't good enough. Provide some data.

Through income tax alone the middle class pays the highest effective tax rate. When you add in payroll taxes the middle class gets completely screwed. Income tax facts from the IRS: From 2001 to 2007 the people with the highest income got the biggest percentage cuts in their actual tax payments. The middle class had to subsidize the rich even more than before. In 2007 once you start making $2 million a year your effective tax rates go down & you are being subsidized. Workers making $200K were paying higher effective income tax rates than billionaires. That is before adding in payroll taxes that make the rates even worse.

No matter. The top 10% of all earners pay 40% of the federal tax burden. The top 25% pay well over 70% of the federal tax burden.
The problem is not revenue. The problem is SPENDING...There is too much of it.
The fact that a measly $85 bln of a total continuing resolution( remember, there is no federal budget right now) of over $3 trillion caused such a ruckus. There is just far too much dependency on government.
The other fact ignored is there were NO CUTS in the sequester. Only reductions in increases. Which the libs call a "cut"...
No, you guys get plenty. Your side needs to figure out good stewardship of the people's money before you can ask for more.