Poll: Florida voters more afraid of Obama's Medicare plan than Ryan's

[Jackson]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:
."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

 

[SniperFire]

President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts

TAPPER: One of the concerns about health care and how you pay for it — one third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “Right.

TAPPER: A lot of times, as you know, what happens in Congress is somebody will do something bold and then Congress, close to election season, will undo it.

OBAMA: Right.

TAPPER: You saw that with the ‘doc fix.’

OBAMA: Right.

TAPPER: Are you willing to pledge that whatever cuts in Medicare are being made to fund health insurance, one third of it, that you will veto anything that tries to undo that?

OBAMA: Yes

President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts - ABC News

 

[uscitizen]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

"May be inclined" Is not a fact it is a possibility.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

 

[nitroz]

Not scared of Ryan's plan? LOL, WHAT PLAN?
It will be cut and nonexistent.

 

[SniperFire]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:
."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

And Obama's new Death Panel will cut more, right away.

 

[SniperFire]

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

"May be inclined" Is not a fact it is a possibility.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

Fortunately, our seniors are not the idiots you would like them to be.

 

[Jackson]

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

"May be inclined" Is not a fact it is a possibility.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

Er, "May be LESS inclined,,,
Reading comprehension is indeed your friend.

 

[uscitizen]

."However, providers who get paid less from Medicare in the future may be less inclined to accept Medicare patients, thereby reducing access. "

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare

From Fact Check:Having less access to doctors and nursing homes is a substantial cut.

"May be inclined" Is not a fact it is a possibility.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

Er, "May be LESS inclined,,,
Reading comprehension is indeed your friend.

It worked you did read it.
Now do you understand?

 

[Jackson]

"May be inclined" Is not a fact it is a possibility.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

Er, "May be LESS inclined,,,
Reading comprehension is indeed your friend.

It worked you did read it.
Now do you understand?

I do, but you apparently don't.

 

[uscitizen]

Er, "May be LESS inclined,,,
Reading comprehension is indeed your friend.

It worked you did read it.
Now do you understand?

I do, but you apparently don't.

the truths I understand in this are:
1. Obama has not cut 700 billion from Medicare at this point.

2. Medicare Advantage costs taxpayers 14% more than traditional medicare and this is where Ryan wants to push more of those on Medicare.

 

[SniperFire]

It worked you did read it.
Now do you understand?

I do, but you apparently don't.

the truths I understand in this are:
1. Obama has not cut 700 billion from Medicare at this point.

2. Medicare Advantage costs taxpayers 14% more than traditional medicare and this is where Ryan wants to push more of those on Medicare.

You are ignoring Obama's own words, and the admission of his own campaign that there was $700 billion in Medicare cuts. Just because you ask your suppliers to take a hit does not mean there was not a cut.

Additionally, Ryan's budget is irrelevant. Romney's plan is the one which will be proposed to the new Republican Congress once Obamacare is repealed and Obama's Medicare cuts are repealed.

Most idiot Liberals were smart enough to run off when the truth was revealed. You are still here.

 

[Lakhota]

Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it... - YouTube

 

[Jackson]

It worked you did read it.
Now do you understand?

I do, but you apparently don't.

the truths I understand in this are:
1. Obama has not cut 700 billion from Medicare at this point.

2. Medicare Advantage costs taxpayers 14% more than traditional medicare and this is where Ryan wants to push more of those on Medicare.

1. The real story flying under the radar is the huge cuts to Medicare from the president’s health- reform law. The annual report in August 2010 from the Medicare Board of Trustees showing health reform’s dramatic $1.05 trillion in cuts in Medicare over the first decade. For more, see this.

2. The analysis was also flagged in The Wall Street Journal by Peter Ferrara at the Institute for Policy Innovation and Larry Hunter, president of the Social Security Institute.

3. The health-reform law enacted Medicare payment cuts amounting to $818 billion out of hospital insurance, called Medicare Part A, from 2014-2023, totaling an estimated $3.2 trillion over the first two decades, by 2033.

4. Factor in cuts in doctor fees for Medicare (Part B), as well as other services, and the grand total amounts to $1.05 trillion over the first decade, or $4.95 trillion over the first 20 years.

This is how the president and Democrats touted the health-reform law as cutting the federal deficit, though they played down the reality in cuts to Medicare, which covers 48.7 million Americans. Health reform has roughly 165 provisions affecting the Medicare program by reducing costs, among other things, the trustee report says, adding the trust fund is on schedule to be exhausted by 2024. Medicare spent $549.1 billion in fiscal 2011.

5. In the first three years of the law, doctors and hospitals will see their Medicare payments cut by 30% under health reform, the report says, though Congress could revoke them as it has every year since 2003, the report adds.

The cuts seek to make Medicare payment rates lower than Medicaid by 2019. A 75-year projection in the Annual Medicare Trustees Report shows Medicare payment rates half of Medicaid’s rates, and a third of sums covered by private insurers.

6. And the Granny ad ignores the fact that President Barack Obama’s health-reform law enacts an unaccountable “independent payment advisory board," where Congress and the courts cannot review their decisions to deny coverage under Medicare. It will take new legislation from Congress to stop this board. Watch whether the board cuts Medicare coverage for hip and knee replacements, as well as MRI and CT scans, Ferrara and Hunter note.

7. Add to this the fact that the President seeks entitlement reform if he wins a second term, including Medicare. To date, there have been no Dems throwing Granny off a cliff ads just yet.
Deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter admitted health reform’s deep cuts to Medicare: "You know I heard Mitt Romney deride the $700 billion cuts in Medicare that the president achieved through health care reform.”

8. Meanwhile, the law gutted Medicare’s successful free market, private option program, Medicare Advantage, which about a quarter of senior citizens picked because they liked the insurance coverage and the good deals.

9. The Medicare actuary has projected about half of all Medicare Advantage enrollees will see their coverage dropped due to ObamaCare cuts. So what happened to President Obama's promise that "If you like your health plan, you will be able to keep it”?

10 The way the Ryan plan works would cap the federal government’s subsidy at the cost of the second least-expensive plan in the exchange.
The premium subsidy is capped at the growth in U.S. GDP plus a half a percentage point. Congress would be forced to stop any faster increases—which would likely happen given medical inflation.


Read more: The Ryan Medicare Plan | Fox Business

 

[Vel]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

I don't think he has cut a dime yet.
He will cut from projected increases didn't he?

How's that going to work? Obama says that he's going to stop the growth in Medicare to the tune of $716 billion dollars and yet baby boomers are aging into Medicare in the millions. How exactly to you think that's going to work? How do you dramatically increase the number of people in the program, offer the same level of services as now while dramatically slowing the dollars expended? Got some details?

 

[Zander]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

The wingnut BLOG you cited had better call the Congressional Budget Office and tell them. They seem to disagree....

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43471-hr6079.pdf

Nutbar??

 

[freedombecki]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

The wingnut BLOG you cited had better call the Congressional Budget Office and tell them. They seem to disagree....

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43471-hr6079.pdf

Nutbar??

Yes, entitling one's diatribe as "fact check" would confer Annenburg Public Policy Center's website rather than the Swampland Times.

Thank you for linking actual information that is a far cry from the intentionally-misrepresented title at Swampland Times blog.

 

[Greenbeard]

5. In the first three years of the law, doctors and hospitals will see their Medicare payments cut by 30% under health reform, the report says, though Congress could revoke them as it has every year since 2003, the report adds.

...you think Obamacare was passed prior to 2003?

 

[WillowTree]

Makes sense. Especially since Obama has cut $700 Billion from Medicare....

Facts might be helpful at this juncture.

Fact Check: Obamacare

the fact is he has cut 716 Billion dollars from medicare to pay for his obamacare, you can't lie your way out of this one.

 

[Greenbeard]

How's that going to work? Obama says that he's going to stop the growth in Medicare to the tune of $716 billion dollars and yet baby boomers are aging into Medicare in the millions. How exactly to you think that's going to work? How do you dramatically increase the number of people in the program, offer the same level of services as now while dramatically slowing the dollars expended? Got some details?

The Obama Medicare plan is to address the cost drivers that make the program (and, ultimately, every private sector health plan, as well) unsustainable: the inflationary payment mechanisms and flawed delivery systems that have plagued the health system for decades.

Remove the perverse incentives that make it more lucrative to provide worse care inefficiently, and instead reward doctors and hospitals for providing better care more efficiently. Reorganize the system so that it not only can but is encouraged to deliver better care less expensively. One of the few private sector pilots to taking this approach--replacing fee-for-service reimbursement with new payment mechanisms and incentivizing higher quality care--saw costs drop 10% in a single year last year for providers making that transition, at the same time quality improved.

This is the only way to save Medicare--and the rest of us. And Obama is the only one in this race who's shown any interest in making Medicare, and health care more generally, more sustainable.

 

[Lakhota]

Fox News and other lying wingnut hate media will have seniors scared shitless by Election Day.