Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated

[Terry]

 

[VaYank5150]

Oh yeah. Good point. Best thread ever!

take your little photoshopped signs and place them where your proctologists goes.

So...you've made the clear accusation that those two photos are "photoshopped". Prove that they are by providing the original, un-doctored photos.

...and away ran Cali-G and WillowTree, never to be seen in this thread again....

 

[rdean]

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.
Others could not explain the contradiction.


“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

This kind of comparison keeps popping up. I don't think that Tea partiers, nor republicans have an issue with the socialized policies we have in place. I think everyone realizes that we do need safety nets in place for the needy. But to expand on on socialized programs and the cost, and increase in debt is the issue.
I know that the left wants to use what's in place and belittle conservatives over the policies, but it just goes to show how the left really doesn't understand the conservatives. Or, they just want to try to use a "gotchya" moment.

Oh, you made a small mistake. Let me fix that for you:

I don't think that Tea partiers, nor republicans have an issue with the policies Democrats put in place to take care of older or disadvantaged Americans.

 

[Flopper]

Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
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How the Poll Was Conducted (April 15, 2010)
The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”

And while most Republicans say they are “dissatisfied” with Washington, Tea Party supporters are more likely to classify themselves as “angry.”







Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com

I think you will find that the attendees of political meetings regardless of party are wealthier and better educated that the general public.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, we can say Mrs. Palin is far wealthier than most.. Thanks Demoncwats.

 

[rdean]

Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
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Video Why I Joined the Tea Party
.Related
How the Poll Was Conducted (April 15, 2010)
The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”

And while most Republicans say they are “dissatisfied” with Washington, Tea Party supporters are more likely to classify themselves as “angry.”







Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com

From your article:

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

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And my Social Security and my Medicaid and my unemployment benefits and my......

 

[rdean]

Well, we can say Mrs. Palin is far wealthier than most.. Thanks Demoncwats.

She didn't get any money from me. And I would never buy her book, "Going Rogue by Lynn Vincent".

 

[jillian]

Told you they were nothing but sore-loser bush-ites.

No dear, it has nothing to do with Bush, who is not liked by the movement.

You see, these are the silly attempts to discredit it that help it grow.

The movement isn't about the Gop, bush or neocons or any other silly halfassed reason you keep trying to assign it.

Its about EXACTLY what it says it is, protests agianst out of control and unresponsive government.

you'd think that, wouldn't you, hon?

but it's not the case:

They do not want a third party and say they usually or almost always vote Republican. The percentage holding a favorable opinion of former President George W. Bush, at 57 percent, almost exactly matches the percentage in the general public that holds an unfavorable view of him.

I think maybe you're supporting the wrong people... or the wrong people have usurped your 'movement'.

Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com

 

[Meister]

This kind of comparison keeps popping up. I don't think that Tea partiers, nor republicans have an issue with the socialized policies we have in place. I think everyone realizes that we do need safety nets in place for the needy. But to expand on on socialized programs and the cost, and increase in debt is the issue.
I know that the left wants to use what's in place and belittle conservatives over the policies, but it just goes to show how the left really doesn't understand the conservatives. Or, they just want to try to use a "gotchya" moment.

Oh, you made a small mistake. Let me fix that for you:

I don't think that Tea partiers, nor republicans have an issue with the policies Democrats put in place to take care of older or disadvantaged Americans.

No....you made the mistake...as usual redean. I wan't trying to take it into a partisan direction as you were. Next time just post your posts, and try not to step on mine....understand?

 

[Meister]

Well, we can say Mrs. Palin is far wealthier than most.. Thanks Demoncwats.

She didn't get any money from me. And I would never buy her book, "Going Rogue by Lynn Vincent".

I bet she's losing sleep over it, too.

 

[KMAN]

Why are liberals making fun of educated wealthy people?????? Aren't we all striving to become more educated and wealthier???? I guess not...

 

[Zona]

They just took another poll and most fhem said they thought Fox was news...not entertainment.

In other words, they think what Beck and Hannity says is true, not some kind of commentary.

Just sad.

Oh and Bill O is a liar. He said no one on fox said if you dont get medical insurance, you would go to jail. HE IS A LIAR and is easly proven one.

 

[Meister]

They just took another poll and most fhem said they thought Fox was news...not entertainment.

In other words, they think what Beck and Hannity says is true, not some kind of commentary.

Just sad.

Oh and Bill O is a liar. He said no one on fox said if you dont get medical insurance, you would go to jail. HE IS A LIAR and is easly proven one.

Bill is a liar and you are a proven racist.
Why not link us up with the lie about no medical insurance and going to jail? I'm not saying your wrong, but you should back up your accusation.....like I did with you being a racist .

 

[jillian]

They just took another poll and most fhem said they thought Fox was news...not entertainment.

In other words, they think what Beck and Hannity says is true, not some kind of commentary.

Just sad.

Oh and Bill O is a liar. He said no one on fox said if you dont get medical insurance, you would go to jail. HE IS A LIAR and is easly proven one.

Bill is a liar and you are a proven racist.
Why not link us up with the lie about no medical insurance and going to jail? I'm not saying your wrong, but you should back up your accusation.....like I did with you being a racist .

actually, there was a whole thing about that... i forget which show, i was only half listening on my way home from work yesterday. but they played clip after clip of people on Fox talking about how people would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance.

here's just one from Greta Van Susteran's show... and i think it was the third time she said it during the interview.

SHADEGG: People find it bizarre, but it shows how far we've gotten away from what we ought to be focused on. We ought to be focused on bringing down the cost of health care for every American so they can afford it, deal with preexisting conditions, deal with people who can't buy coverage, help them buy coverage, not punish them with fines. Obama had it right in the campaign when he said if you can't afford coverage to begin with, how much better off are we to fine you? But the big insurance companies...

VAN SUSTEREN: Or send you to jail!

SHADEGG: Yes, or send you to jail.

Health Insurance or Jail? - Greta Van Susteren | On The Record With Greta - FOXNews.com

so when O'Reilly said they factchecked and no one on Fox had made that fallacious assertion, he wasn't telling the truth.\

... that or he should fire his 'factchecker'.

 

[Jarhead]

They just took another poll and most fhem said they thought Fox was news...not entertainment.

In other words, they think what Beck and Hannity says is true, not some kind of commentary.

Just sad.

Oh and Bill O is a liar. He said no one on fox said if you dont get medical insurance, you would go to jail. HE IS A LIAR and is easly proven one.

Bill is a liar and you are a proven racist.
Why not link us up with the lie about no medical insurance and going to jail? I'm not saying your wrong, but you should back up your accusation.....like I did with you being a racist .

actually, there was a whole thing about that... i forget which show, i was only half listening on my way home from work yesterday. but they played clip after clip of people on Fox talking about how people would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance.

here's just one from Greta Van Susteran's show... and i think it was the third time she said it during the interview.

SHADEGG: People find it bizarre, but it shows how far we've gotten away from what we ought to be focused on. We ought to be focused on bringing down the cost of health care for every American so they can afford it, deal with preexisting conditions, deal with people who can't buy coverage, help them buy coverage, not punish them with fines. Obama had it right in the campaign when he said if you can't afford coverage to begin with, how much better off are we to fine you? But the big insurance companies...

VAN SUSTEREN: Or send you to jail!

SHADEGG: Yes, or send you to jail.

Health Insurance or Jail? - Greta Van Susteren | On The Record With Greta - FOXNews.com

so when O'Reilly said they factchecked and no one on Fox had made that fallacious assertion, he wasn't telling the truth.\

... that or he should fire his 'factchecker'.

I saw that on Greta and it was completely said in jest.

You are taking it completely oput of context.

Did you just read text or did you see the clip? If you saw the clip you woiuld NEVER had used thios as an example.

I fear you are a victim of one of your favorite left wing crap sites Jill.

 

[jillian]

I saw that on Greta and it was completely said in jest.

You are taking it completely oput of context.

Did you just read text or did you see the clip? If you saw the clip you woiuld NEVER had used thios as an example.

I fear you are a victim of one of your favorite left wing crap sites Jill.

I don't go to leftwing crap sites. nor do i watch fauxnews. and it wasn't out of context.

but...in looking up this issue about 15 minutes ago, i did find this:

Jail Time for Insurance Evaders? Yes, Said Fox News - Swampland - TIME.com

and i heard the clip... greta wasn't kidding... beck wasn't kidding... hannity wasn't kidding. you're too smart to be sucked in by the spin that says they were.

Jail Time for Insurance Evaders? Yes, Said Fox News
Posted by Kate Pickert Wednesday, April 14, 2010 at 2:33 pm

A little more than a week ago, Tom Coburn did something fairly courageous by political standards. At a town hall meeting in Oklahoma, the conservative Republican senator referred to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a “nice lady” and criticized Fox News. (He was briefly booed for the Pelosi comment.) After an audience member mentioned “the possibility of imprisonment” for those who don't buy health insurance, Coburn told her, “The intention is not to put anybody in jail. That makes for good TV news on FOX but that isn't the intention.”

(This is true, the reform law expressly prohibits the government from jailing anyone who fails to either obtain health insurance or pay a tax penalty.)

Then, last night Fox News's Bill O'Reilly raked Coburn over the coals for his comment about the network. O'Reilly said no one had ever appeared on Fox News and told viewers they would go to jail if they didn't buy health insurance. “We researched on Fox News if anybody had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it.”

Like Coburn, I was pretty sure I'd heard exactly this assertion numerous times on Fox News, so I did a quick search of their transcripts. Here's what I found (emphasis mine):

YOUR WORLD WITH NEIL CAVUTO, November 13, 2009

CAVUTO: So, how much will Senator Harry Reid's health care bill ultimately cost? Come Monday, we should find out, but, the longer the wait, the more the leaks. And here's the latest, a $54 billion addition, a report today saying that the tax threshold on those so-called Cadillac plans is now being raised to $23,000 for couples from $21,000.

That means fewer union members then would potentially get hit. Could that be a payoff for union support and a big Democratic base?

Republican Congressman Dave Reichert of Washington says yes. Congressman, if that is the case, will that $2,000 difference make the difference?

REP. DAVE REICHERT (R), WASHINGTON: Well, you know, what I`m worried about is that we continue on with this -- this whole idea that we're going to pay for this bill by taxing people. So, now we're going to tax their health insurance plans. On the House side, we have already passed a bill that taxes families, taxes small businesses, taxes medical devices for seniors and our special-needs community. And then we are also going to fine people and send them to jail. So, the bill just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Every day that goes by...

CAVUTO: I understand, Congressman.

GLENN BECK, November 12, 2009

BECK: They justify the $1 dollar health care plan by saving, you know, money through some magical fairy money. I don't know how they're going to do it. They don't play by the rules the rest of us have to play by, because they make them up as they go! But if you don't play by their new rules on health care -- oh, here's a new little twist. Have you heard this? You're going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail.

HANNITY, November 10, 2009

HANNITY: All right, Dick Morris was on the program last night. Penalties for people who don't get government-mandated health insurance. Jail time, possibility? Here's President Obama addressing this in an interview.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable, and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand- dollar hidden tax that families all across America are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance. You know, there is nothing wrong with a penalty. Penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.

HANNITY: Jail? Is that...

MUELLER: We are losing freedom. The Berlin Wall anniversary is just the other day. And these are the kind of policies that used to be imposed on people behind that wall. One problem we're going to have, though, Sean, they're going to have, though, Sean, they're going to have to do something about prisons. They're going to put all these people in jail. It cost $50,000 a year to take care of a prisoner. So they're going to have to do prison reform.

HANNITY: That's going to be true.

MUELLER: Democrats don't like to do prisons.

HANNITY: Put people in jail if they don't get their government mandated health? We're going to tax business. We're going to tax individuals. There's going to be fines. There's going to be penalties. There's a millionaire's tax. We're paying for it through the wall. This is what you want?

GLENN BECK, November 10, 2009

JUDGE NAPOLITANO (filling in for Beck): Last Saturday, at 11:00 in the evening, the House of Representatives voted by a five-vote margin to have the federal government manage the health care of everyone in America at a cost of over $1 trillion over the next 10 years. For the first time in American history, if this bill becomes law, the Feds will force you to buy insurance you might not want or may not need or cannot afford. If you don't purchase what the government tells you to buy, if you don't do so when they tell you to do it, if you don't buy just what they say is right for you, the government may fine you, prosecute you, and even put you in jail.

HANNITY, November 9, 2009

HANNITY: All right. You've got -- the senators are saying no way. OK? Lieberman is saying he'll filibuster. You've got the blue -- you've got in the Senate they're saying no way they're going to get a government option. Then you've got these two internal battles that I just described. How do you see this?

DICK MORRIS: Well, the fight over the public option is the focus at the moment of the Senate debate and the abortion provision as well. I don't personally much care about either one. I think that the bill, even with the abortion amendment and even without the public option, is plenty injurious itself. That would leave the Medicare cuts, the huge payments by the uninsured. One of the provisions in the Pelosi bill is you actually can go to jail for not having health insurance. It says that if you don't have health insurance, you have to pay a fine of 2.5 percent of your income to the government. And if you don't, you face $250,000 or five years in prison. Can you imagine your prison yard, what are you in for? Murder. I'm in for rape. I didn't have health insurance.

CAVUTO, November 20, 2009

CHARLES PAYNE (hosting): Stocks slipping a bit today. That makes it three straight days in the red. But that may have nothing to do with one firm's hunch, if it is right. Timothy Geithner's job could be hanging in the balance. The treasury secretary facing major heat on Capitol Hill from Republicans and some Democratic congressman, some even calling for his resignation, both sides, by the way. Is this advice alarmist or practical? Let's ask "FOX Business" all- stars, Matt McCall, Tracy Byrnes, Mark Tatge and Gary B. Smith.

Gary B., practical or alarmist?

GARY B. SMITH, EXEMPLAR CAPITAL: I think it is very practical. Look, Charles, at some of the things we've seen. You don't pay your health insurance taxes, you could go to prison. You are chairman of G.M., we don't like you, you're fired! You know, Wall Street, we gave you money, no Christmas party for you! You know what that sounds like to me? That sounds like Soviet Russia back in the '60s and '70s. We know how well their economy turned out.

All of these statements were made after the Senate Finance Committee passed its version of the health reform legislation, which specifically prohibited imprisoning people for refusing to pay the tax penalty levied on those without insurance. To be fair, the House bill did not specifically prohibit this, but it also did not include this threat. Critics who said failure to obtain insurance would result in jail time were quoting a piece of the internal revenue code, not any version of health reform legislation. Further explanation here, here, and here.

Read more: Jail Time for Insurance Evaders? Yes, Said Fox News - Swampland - TIME.com

 

[Jarhead]

Hey Jill. That "left wing crap site" thing was uncalled for. I apologize. Been having a tough day today. By no means an excuse, But a valid explanation. I will do my best to not let it happen again. You are not worthy of such sarcasm.

I am going to read that Time article. But I saw the Greta thing. It was a joke based on a conversation earlier during that segment. It was taken out of context as the entire conversation is what made it funny.

As for Beck and Hannity. Uh. HELLO! Beck and Hannity. ENOUGH SAID.

As for Oreilly? I see him as one of the straightest shooters on the cable circuit. Even when he says things I dont like to hear.

As for your compliment of my intelligence? Do you know something I dont know?

 

[Annie]

Threads merged! -EZ

Hmm, not the Neanderthals we've been portrayed as the past year.

Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com

April 14, 2010
Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated
By KATE ZERNIKE and MEGAN THEE-BRENAN
Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”

And while most Republicans say they are “dissatisfied” with Washington, Tea Party supporters are more likely to classify themselves as “angry.”

The Tea Party movement burst onto the scene a year ago in protest of the economic stimulus package, and its supporters have vowed to purge the Republican Party of officials they consider not sufficiently conservative and to block the Democratic agenda on the economy, the environment and health care. But the demographics and attitudes of those in the movement have been known largely anecdotally. The Times/CBS poll offers a detailed look at the profile and attitudes of those supporters.

Their responses are like the general public’s in many ways. Most describe the amount they paid in taxes this year as “fair.” Most send their children to public schools. A plurality do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, they think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers. They actually are just as likely as Americans as a whole to have returned their census forms, though some conservative leaders have urged a boycott.

Tea Party supporters’ fierce animosity toward Washington, and the president in particular, is rooted in deep pessimism about the direction of the country and the conviction that the policies of the Obama administration are disproportionately directed at helping the poor rather than the middle class or the rich.

The overwhelming majority of supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.

They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.

Asked what they are angry about, Tea Party supporters offered three main concerns: the recent health care overhaul, government spending and a feeling that their opinions are not represented in Washington...

 

[jillian]

you're late.

 

[Annie]

you're late.

Been busy.