POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[BlackSand]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

The elements of socialism that don't involve government can be accomplished under capitalism ...

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Such as?

You tell me ... You're the one claiming to have all the knowledge and attempting to suggest it is any different ...

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[danielpalos]

socialism includes Government, capitalism does not. that is why we have a Mixed-market economy.

 

[Tehon]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

The elements of socialism that don't involve government can be accomplished under capitalism ...

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Such as?

You tell me ... You're the one attempting to suggest it is any different ...

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You made the statement, clarify or don't.

 

[BlackSand]

You made the statement, clarify or don't.

You didn't clarify the statement I was responding to any more than I clarified mine ...

On the other hand ... You specifically told the other poster to "go educate themselves".
So either show us your education or shut the fuck up.

I am not going to try and prove your negative assertion.
I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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[bripat9643]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

 

[Tehon]

"Drop your weapon so we can discuss our new form of government"

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

 

[BlackSand]

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Farmers co-op ... It's still voluntary (or self governed at the most)...

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[BlackSand]

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

There is no such thing as property rights without the ability of them to be governed by society ...
It's not that you don't think property rights should be governed ... You just don't like who is governing them.

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[edward37]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I'm left wing and love capitalism What I don't like is the Nazi racist we have in our WH now and all those supporting him and putting up with his BS ,,This includes his protectors in congress

 

[edward37]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I'm left wing and love capitalism What I don't like is the Nazi racist we have in our WH now and all those supporting him and putting up with his BS ,,This includes his protectors in congress

It's only a perjury trap if you're a damn liar

 

[rightwinger]

Capitalism unchecked becomes dog eat dog

What a fucking retard.

I am not!

Mother had me tested

 

[Thinker101]

Capitalism unchecked becomes dog eat dog

What a fucking retard.

I am not!

Mother had me tested

Yeah, the doctor lied.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Look at recebt Democrats (H Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer) and the policies they pursue and the thought leaders they followed. No matter how you measure it, they want to move the country away from its current Capitalism to something more socialist and more government centric.

My biggest problem with this is you lessen if not kill the chance for economic mobility and prosperity, reduce or kill the middle class, and lock in a true 1 percent.

 

[Thinker101]

Look at recebt Democrats (H Clinton, Obama, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer) and the policies they pursue and the thought leaders they followed. No matter how you measure it, they want to move the country away from its current Capitalism to something more socialist and more government centric.

My biggest problem with this is you lessen if not kill the chance for economic mobility and prosperity, reduce or kill the middle class, and lock in a true 1 percent.

Well, that is the point to socialism, kill the chance for prosperity and reduce the middle class,

 

[Tehon]

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

There is no such thing as property rights without the ability of them to be governed by society ...
It's not that you don't think property rights should be governed ... You just don't like who is governing them.

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It's that I don't believe in private property generally.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

..I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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Pizzas?

 

[Tehon]

You made the statement, clarify or don't.

You didn't clarify the statement I was responding to any more than I clarified mine ...

On the other hand ... You specifically told the other poster to "go educate themselves".
So either show us your education or shut the fuck up.

I am not going to try and prove your negative assertion.
I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

 

[kaz]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

Apparently, every group disagrees with you. Open your eyes

 

[Sahba]

I don't believe that the majority of them want to complete squelch capitalism, cus the smart among them know that the money has to come, in part, from the economic engine of US capitalism (how many more trillions is China going to lend us)... They know that their only shot at gaining, maintaining support for their party platforms is to appeal to the 'entitlement' constituency. They are an inherently duplicitous lot... wanting the cash cows of the higher percentile capitalistic business's and individual wealth yet catering whole heartedly to the entitlement constituency... Disclaimer, those vapid morons like Ocasio Cortez are not like, kind of ummm, like, sorta umm like the cognizant Dem's that I'm referring to, lol.

 

[kaz]

You made the statement, clarify or don't.

You didn't clarify the statement I was responding to any more than I clarified mine ...

On the other hand ... You specifically told the other poster to "go educate themselves".
So either show us your education or shut the fuck up.

I am not going to try and prove your negative assertion.
I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

Yes, that's correct. Governments, can be from Democrat socialists (mob rule) to Communists (party rule). Socialist governments are all authoritarian though because the government centrally plans the economy and the government uses guns to enforce that policy