POLL: Cain, Romney and Perry all beat Obama

[Amelia]

I am amused in a sickened way by the people who support Obama and don't even keep track of his speeches. No one yelled "you lie" at a State of the Union address.

Obama is a media hog so I understand that it would be hard to keep track of all of his addresses. But at least try to tell the difference between the State of the Union and Obama's other speeches.

 

[JRK]

Your 100 miles behind the curve bud. in 2007 was the last GOP budget
it was within 163 billion of breaking even
UE was under 5%

By 2010 that same deficit was 1.4 trillion and that same UE was 10%
Now how simple can I make this for you?
did you look at the picture of Pitt. in 08 with BHO making a speech and today @ drudge?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your 100 miles behind the curve bud. in 2007 was the last GOP budget
it was within 163 billion of breaking even
UE was under 5%

By 2010 that same deficit was 1.4 trillion and that same UE was 10%
Now how simple can I make this for you?
did you look at the picture of Pitt. in 08 with BHO making a speech and today @ drudge?

In other words, even in 2007, at the peak of the expansion, revenues weren't sufficient to balance the budget.

That is the fault of Bush's irresponsible tax cuts.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ross Perot was beating George Bush and Bill Clinton in late spring/early summer of 1992.

That's irrelevant. Perot dropped out of the race and killed his own chances. Hardly comparable to todays circumstances.

Says you.

How about the fact that McCain was beating Obama in September of 2008? Is that more 'relevant' to the meaninglessness of polls as predictors of future results?

 

[Photonic]

Poll: Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney All Beat Obama - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

you want a dose of reality?
DRUDGE REPORT: OBAMA PITTSBURGH 2008 VS. 2011

check that out

Ahem....

Perry beat no one but himself. Even Obama would win against Perry.

I am backing Romney currently but Cain is doing exceptionally well so far. I am watching him quite carefully.

Someone above said Abe Lincoln statue would beat Obama, I agree
Perry did not become the Governor of Texas by being stupid. he also has one heel of a track record. This country is looking for results from its leadership.
I have no idea as to why you think so little of Perry, that is fine with me. You think Cain and Romney supporters would vote for Obama if Perry got the Nod?

More likely they are to support a separate candidate. Like the TEA party plans on doing should a tea party candidate not get the GOP.

 

[JRK]

If I supported any president that has failed as bad as Obama has and kept supporting him, there would come a day I would ask why
I guess it get back to common sense and what you believe. I believe if your healthy enough, you should work. I believe the govt should never put conditions in place to prevent us from working
I really have no understanding what it is Obama is trying to do, does any of you? why would anyone want this to keep going the way it is?

 

[Claudette]

I do believe McCain and Barry were just about even.

Then the meltdown happened and folks were so pissed at the Reps that they voted Barry and his posse in.

Now I think they will be voting him out. Of course the election is a year away but somehow I don't see the economy and the jobs situation improving any. Not as long dimwit is stuck in his stimulus bs mode.

2012 will be all about that pesky economy.

 

[JRK]

Ahem....

Perry beat no one but himself. Even Obama would win against Perry.

I am backing Romney currently but Cain is doing exceptionally well so far. I am watching him quite carefully.

Someone above said Abe Lincoln statue would beat Obama, I agree
Perry did not become the Governor of Texas by being stupid. he also has one heel of a track record. This country is looking for results from its leadership.
I have no idea as to why you think so little of Perry, that is fine with me. You think Cain and Romney supporters would vote for Obama if Perry got the Nod?

More likely they are to support a separate candidate. Like the TEA party plans on doing should a tea party candidate not get the GOP.

That's your pipe dream. Romney is the only one that could remotely happen to. you do not know much about HC or RP i can see

 

[CessnaCJ4]

Taking tax payers wealth with out congress approving and ignoring BK law and giving that tax payers wealth to a private company, to pick the winners and losers in a free market event with cash that was not his to be giving, Gm and Chrysler defined BHO
Tax cuts have nothing to do with a socialist event as that was.

TARP I, was initiated by Bush 43. TARP II was initiated by Obama. Romney, in the Republican Commercial Against Barack Obama last night, when directly asked what he would do in a similar financial and economic crisis, decided to bail out of answering the question directly and provided zero details, while claiming that he would not have bailed out GM. So, he bails himself out of answering, but would not have bailed out GM.

When I see somebody who says that Congress did not approve TARP funding, then I know I'm reading something straight from Faux Newz and/or Rush Limbaugh, la la land. A magical place where nothing makes sense and reality takes a permanent rain-check. Congress not only approved TARP, but it re-authorized it and tweaked it on their own. Yet, you false state that Obama acted as if the money was his own to give, when nothing could be further from the truth.

How it is possible that you can function in a democratic republic, where so severe a lack of even the most fundamental of contemporary political and economic issues are beyond your grasp? How can one possibly walk into a voting both, pull the lever or punch the card, and have even the slightest clue about what they are doing and why they are doing it, if you don't understand even the basics of the TARP Funding I & II?

You cannot find a better definition than that, and yes GWB sort of done the same thing. It was his intent for GM and Chrysler to go chapter 7, at the end of the day he had no right doing it either...It was not his place in life to have went over what congress said to do. It to me was his worst showing as president

Congress APPROVED TARP I, by a vote tally of 263 to 171. At what point did you miss that vote when the entire world watched it on C-SPAN and news coverage of the vote was epic? The Senate APPROVED it by a tally of 74 to 25, but not until AFTER adding an additional $110 billion in spending provisions!

It was Congress who made it all possible.

Now, let's get down to where the rubber meets the road, shall we.

Precisely what would you have done in 2008, when the economy was collapsing, hundreds of thousands (at the time) were in the process of losing their homes, gas prices were rising through the roof, unemployment was skyrocketing and the entire United States Banking and Financial industry was imploding - literally overnight and you've got U.S. Troops still being sent home in coffins in both Iraq and Afghanistan?

As President, what would you have told your Treasury Secretary to do?

You see, this is the stark, cold reality behind the hyperbole of your entire thread. People in the electorate, not having a solitary clue about what they speak and being simply satisfied with talking points and hyper-partisan political dogma that is the obvious calling card of one not seriously engaged in the issues that face all U.S. Citizens.

Again, what (precisely) would you have told your Treasury Secretary to do?

 

[Photonic]

Someone above said Abe Lincoln statue would beat Obama, I agree
Perry did not become the Governor of Texas by being stupid. he also has one heel of a track record. This country is looking for results from its leadership.
I have no idea as to why you think so little of Perry, that is fine with me. You think Cain and Romney supporters would vote for Obama if Perry got the Nod?

More likely they are to support a separate candidate. Like the TEA party plans on doing should a tea party candidate not get the GOP.

That's your pipe dream. Romney is the only one that could remotely happen to. you do not know much about HC or RP i can see

Haha. Except it's fact that TEA party leaders have come right out and said they would only support their own candidates.

Unless you think facts are pipe dreams. Dream on.

 

[jillian]

I can assure you it will get worse. Obama had his chance, we all were pulling for him and he blew it

No you weren't. And neither were any of the right wing. Even before he assumed office, the right wing chattering class were hoping for his "failure". Demint was calling health care his "waterloo" and the Senate Republicans filibustered almost every bill Obama supported. They did things that were historical in congress, like yelling "You Lie" at SOTU speech. The behavior from the right has been despicable and outrageous. Even Obama's successes which should have brought bi-partisan praise got negative responses, like the elimination of Osama Bin Laden.

Most polls show a close race. And that's with the Right in campaign mode for nearly a year and with the FOX propaganda machine shouting "failure" every single day. Obama has been advocating for the jobs bill for three weeks, and most polls have him edging up. Additionally most Americans actually like the man..despite the very visceral charges from the right of him being a Marxist, Kenyan, Anti-Colonial (Which is surprising, because America was started by people who were Anti-Colonial), not loving America, and some other rather hyperbolic and disgusting "charges".

Once Obama is fully engaged in a campaign against "someone" (you guys are in Flavor of the month mode) that will change as well.

Swallow no there you go stating things about me you know nothing about
Hell no I was not pulling for him to go thru trillions with no results, do you know any-one what was?
He is a socialist
that's just a fact. As far as campaigning whats he he going campaign on?
he has a record now, this is not 2008

it would be really nice if you weren't a compulsive liar.

now the real polls...

your guy cain, the rightwingnut loon, loses by 6...

and romney kicks his butt in most polls.

but keep lying.

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

 

[CessnaCJ4]

I am amused in a sickened way by the people who support Obama and don't even keep track of his speeches. No one yelled "you lie" at a State of the Union address.

Or, just sick, in an amusing way.

I'm more sickened at those who actually want to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye, to those who caused the problem we are in right now, while all of a sudden, being those who supposedly have all the answers when no solution was forthcoming from any of them when we needed it most, between 2000 and 2008.

At least Clinton, left Republican leadership and multi-hundred billion dollar projected surplus when he left office. What did Republican leadership do that that? They blew it on an illegal war that lacked any righteous causation or justification. In fact, they blew it on a total lie about a nonexistent threat to national security. That same leadership proceeded to get hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq/Afghanistan, killed for no reason whatsoever other than transnational oil contracts - period.

Yet, you can hold such disdain for Obama, when he was wise enough to speak out against the invasion in the first instance.

Face it - you dislike Obama, for "other reasons" that have no logical connection to his policies as President in the aggregate. There might be one or two policy missteps that he needs to account for, but on whole, he has done nearly precisely what he needed to do as President, given the last minute hurricane that came in the form of the global economic meltdown just before I got elected.

Obama is a media hog so I understand that it would be hard to keep track of all of his addresses.

So, when this President promised to keep in touch directly with the American People during the campaign, which is something that he talked about a lot before 2008, by doing town hall meetings and remaining in constant contact with the American People, he's labeled by the Right as a "Media Hog." If President Obama, shut himself inside the White House and never came out like some executive hermit, then the Right would label him completely unwilling to remain in touch with the American People.

This is precisely the kind of thing that the Right as been doing since before Obama's inauguration - attempting to set-up the President up for failure, by establishing phony causalities for "why" he failed. All the while, never being intellectually honest about the double standard analysis of his performance at all. That's the height of hyper-partisan hypocrisy.

But at least try to tell the difference between the State of the Union and Obama's other speeches.

Now, that's amusing. You tracked his speeches so well, that you don't even understand why he's been in the "Media" as much as he has, when that's precisely what he told you that he would do out on the campaign trail.

At least attempt to keep track of reality.

Unbelievable!

 

[JRK]

No you weren't. And neither were any of the right wing. Even before he assumed office, the right wing chattering class were hoping for his "failure". Demint was calling health care his "waterloo" and the Senate Republicans filibustered almost every bill Obama supported. They did things that were historical in congress, like yelling "You Lie" at SOTU speech. The behavior from the right has been despicable and outrageous. Even Obama's successes which should have brought bi-partisan praise got negative responses, like the elimination of Osama Bin Laden.

Most polls show a close race. And that's with the Right in campaign mode for nearly a year and with the FOX propaganda machine shouting "failure" every single day. Obama has been advocating for the jobs bill for three weeks, and most polls have him edging up. Additionally most Americans actually like the man..despite the very visceral charges from the right of him being a Marxist, Kenyan, Anti-Colonial (Which is surprising, because America was started by people who were Anti-Colonial), not loving America, and some other rather hyperbolic and disgusting "charges".

Once Obama is fully engaged in a campaign against "someone" (you guys are in Flavor of the month mode) that will change as well.

Swallow no there you go stating things about me you know nothing about
Hell no I was not pulling for him to go thru trillions with no results, do you know any-one what was?
He is a socialist
that's just a fact. As far as campaigning whats he he going campaign on?
he has a record now, this is not 2008

it would be really nice if you weren't a compulsive liar.

now the real polls...

your guy cain, the rightwingnut loon, loses by 6...

and romney kicks his butt in most polls.

but keep lying.

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

Who are you calling a liar
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...an-cain-rick-perry-mitt-romney-all-beat-obama
the link?

 

[CessnaCJ4]

Your 100 miles behind the curve bud. in 2007 was the last GOP budget
it was within 163 billion of breaking even
UE was under 5%

By 2010 that same deficit was 1.4 trillion and that same UE was 10%
Now how simple can I make this for you?
did you look at the picture of Pitt. in 08 with BHO making a speech and today @ drudge?

Are you serious? Do you mean to tell me that you don't understand the costs involved in rescuing a $14 trillion economy from almost certain depression? Do you not fully understand that such an undertaking by definition must add to the national debt and deficit?

In 2007, the year you just gloated over as being some kind of bizarre demonstration of Republican fiscal responsibility (what a joke), the global economic meltdown and the economic implosion here at home had not yet been instantiated. There was no TARP in 2007 thus, there was no Stimulus, in 2007. So, of course, the budget delta from 2007 through 2010, would be greater.

I don't even understand why you made such a post, when its meaning is 100% MOOT!

But, what I do find rather glaringly obvious, is that you failed to mention the increase in the debt and widening of the budget shortfall between 2000 and 2004, after Bush had blown our projected surplus and catapulted the nation into unnecessary war with two nations that never attacked the United States of America and that never had the capacity to strike on U.S. soil strategically.

Stop spinning.

 

[Amelia]

I am amused in a sickened way by the people who support Obama and don't even keep track of his speeches. No one yelled "you lie" at a State of the Union address.

Or, just sick, in an amusing way.

I'm more sickened at those who actually want to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye, to those who caused the problem we are in right now, while all of a sudden, being those who supposedly have all the answers when no solution was forthcoming from any of them when we needed it most, between 2000 and 2008.

At least Clinton, left Republican leadership and multi-hundred billion dollar projected surplus when he left office. What did Republican leadership do that that? They blew it on an illegal war that lacked any righteous causation or justification. In fact, they blew it on a total lie about a nonexistent threat to national security. That same leadership proceeded to get hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq/Afghanistan, killed for no reason whatsoever other than transnational oil contracts - period.

Yet, you can hold such disdain for Obama, when he was wise enough to speak out against the invasion in the first instance.

Face it - you dislike Obama, for "other reasons" that have no logical connection to his policies as President in the aggregate. There might be one or two policy missteps that he needs to account for, but on whole, he has done nearly precisely what he needed to do as President, given the last minute hurricane that came in the form of the global economic meltdown just before I got elected.

Obama is a media hog so I understand that it would be hard to keep track of all of his addresses.

So, when this President promised to keep in touch directly with the American People during the campaign, which is something that he talked about a lot before 2008, by doing town hall meetings and remaining in constant contact with the American People, he's labeled by the Right as a "Media Hog." If President Obama, shut himself inside the White House and never came out like some executive hermit, then the Right would label him completely unwilling to remain in touch with the American People.

This is precisely the kind of thing that the Right as been doing since before Obama's inauguration - attempting to set-up the President up for failure, by establishing phony causalities for "why" he failed. All the while, never being intellectually honest about the double standard analysis of his performance at all. That's the height of hyper-partisan hypocrisy.

But at least try to tell the difference between the State of the Union and Obama's other speeches.

Now, that's amusing. You tracked his speeches so well, that you don't even understand why he's been in the "Media" as much as he has, when that's precisely what he told you that he would do out on the campaign trail.

At least attempt to keep track of reality.

Unbelievable!

Clinton did not leave a surplus. He left an illusion. We went into an official recession directly after Clinton left office. Nothing Bush did caused that. Bush's first round of tax cuts helped us get out of the recession. His second round of tax cuts were of less merit and we could argue about that. Bush did not cause the housing market to fail. The Republicans tried to address the problems of Fannie and Freddie but were called racist for their efforts.


Clinton on the other hand directly caused a stock market crash and brought about the bursting of the internet bubble when he ignored his own DOJ's recommendations and decided that Bill Gates needed to be taught a harsh lesson for daring to suggest that he was more powerful than Clinton. Innovation and R&D had to be put on hold and risks reconsidered across Silicon Valley and everywhere that people used Microsoft products because Clinton made it clear that he would punish success for personal reasons.







Obama talked a lot about a lot of things during his campaign which he didn't follow through on. His incessant speeches are about his need for attention, not about keeping in touch with us directly.


Obama's wisdom in speaking out against the invasion to begin with? LOL - he said what those in Illinois wanted to hear from the safety of his armchair. He has shown over and over that the supposedly principled statements he makes on one day mean zero when he is faced with reality. Like the time when he said it would be wrong to vote against John Roberts for the Supreme Court based on ideological reasons and said he thought Roberts was very well qualified and deserved a yes vote ... but then when reminded that it might hurt his presidential prospects he voted no.

My disdain for Obama exists for many reasons, from his own questionable positions and more questionable actions to my concerns about those who support him.

 

[rightwinger]

Swallow no there you go stating things about me you know nothing about
Hell no I was not pulling for him to go thru trillions with no results, do you know any-one what was?
He is a socialist
that's just a fact. As far as campaigning whats he he going campaign on?
he has a record now, this is not 2008

it would be really nice if you weren't a compulsive liar.

now the real polls...

your guy cain, the rightwingnut loon, loses by 6...

and romney kicks his butt in most polls.

but keep lying.

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

Who are you calling a liar
Poll: Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney All Beat Obama - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
the link?

Evolving Strategies poll?

I thought you guys could not do worse than Rassmussen?

 

[jillian]

it would be really nice if you weren't a compulsive liar.

now the real polls...

your guy cain, the rightwingnut loon, loses by 6...

and romney kicks his butt in most polls.

but keep lying.

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

Who are you calling a liar
Poll: Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney All Beat Obama - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
the link?

Evolving Strategies poll?

I thought you guys could not do worse than Rassmussen?

but rasmussen says obama would win as of today.

 

[rightwinger]

Who are you calling a liar
Poll: Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney All Beat Obama - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
the link?

Evolving Strategies poll?

I thought you guys could not do worse than Rassmussen?

but rasmussen says obama would win as of today.

That is why they have to sink down to Evolving Strategies

 

[CessnaCJ4]

If I supported any president that has failed as bad as Obama has and kept supporting him, there would come a day I would ask why...

I keep reading this madness, but I never get any Republican to debate me head-up on the issues.

It is amazing to me how Republicans can look at their record on domestics and economics from 2000 through 20008, and somehow see themselves has NOT having failed miserably. Yet, they handed to President Obama, on a copper platter, the worst economic condition since the great depression and yet, still have the audacity to proclaim that it is Obama, who has failed and not they themselves.

That's simply insane behavior and it is completely reminiscent of people who suffer from delusional paranoia. Republicans are behaving very much like someone dealing with Munchhausen by proxy, where they create the problem, sit back and wait for the darn thing to explode and then rush in with the solution, all the while claiming great "concern" for both the American People and the economy, when neither statement is true.

This is sick and sadistic behavior and it is unbecoming of an American Citizen - and certainly not something that the American Electorate should be voting into office at any level: Local, State or Federal.

You set the house on fire, sit back and call the fire department and then attempt to burst a handful of water balloons on the fire, proclaiming that you are doing what's necessary to put out the blaze. All the while, the entire neighborhood (the Global Economy) goes up in historic flames of epic proportions.

Way to go Republicans. Now, that's real, genuine leadership with a capital "L." Only in this case, the "L" stands for total "Losers."

The very first thing that I want to see ALL Republicans do, is GET REAL about their culpability in our current crisis and stop all this nonsense about how Obama created it, made it worse and refused to lead us out of it, because that hyperbole nonsense won't cut the mustard for those who know our history and understand the genesis of our problems.

Ron Paul, is the ONLY Republican candidate that seems to be even remotely willing to do this. The rest of them are acting as if they are perpetually high a wood shop glue.

 

[JRK]

No you weren't. And neither were any of the right wing. Even before he assumed office, the right wing chattering class were hoping for his "failure". Demint was calling health care his "waterloo" and the Senate Republicans filibustered almost every bill Obama supported. They did things that were historical in congress, like yelling "You Lie" at SOTU speech. The behavior from the right has been despicable and outrageous. Even Obama's successes which should have brought bi-partisan praise got negative responses, like the elimination of Osama Bin Laden.

Most polls show a close race. And that's with the Right in campaign mode for nearly a year and with the FOX propaganda machine shouting "failure" every single day. Obama has been advocating for the jobs bill for three weeks, and most polls have him edging up. Additionally most Americans actually like the man..despite the very visceral charges from the right of him being a Marxist, Kenyan, Anti-Colonial (Which is surprising, because America was started by people who were Anti-Colonial), not loving America, and some other rather hyperbolic and disgusting "charges".

Once Obama is fully engaged in a campaign against "someone" (you guys are in Flavor of the month mode) that will change as well.

Swallow no there you go stating things about me you know nothing about
Hell no I was not pulling for him to go thru trillions with no results, do you know any-one what was?
He is a socialist
that's just a fact. As far as campaigning whats he he going campaign on?
he has a record now, this is not 2008

Fuck you and your faggot bullshit.

You put your hyperbole on display by calling him a "socialist" and confirm exactly what I was talking about..asshole.

ass-hole?
ass-hole?

My god what is wrong with you libs and your attitudes?
socialist? what he did for the UAW is as socialist as it gets
Taking tax payers wealth in a private sector event with congress telling you not to and picking the winners and losers is as socialist as it gets
80 billion dollars worth

Now you may not like it, I did not do it, but you are going to have to learn to live with it