POLL: A Question for Lefties re: Socialism

[Mac1958]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
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[Norman]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise. A nation whose social programs started from position of strength and resources, not of a 150 trillion unfunded liability.

The result will be Venzuela or perhaps more like Argentina.

 

[Mac1958]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise.

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum, including America.
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[Norman]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise.

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum.
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Always with the continuum.

I meant that what makes you think US could become a social democracy from the current position? The social democracies just like social security in US started from a position of strength. Now people can't even figure their genders as a result of those policies among other things.

Where is the money going to come from?

 

[JoeB131]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
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Nobody argued that... but do keep up with your straw men, Stormy Mac.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If America was like Venezuela would it have its own "America" undermining its democracy ?​

 

[Mac1958]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise.

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum.
.

Always with the continuum.

I meant that what makes you think US could become a social democracy from the current position? The social democracies just like social security in US started from a position of strength. Now people can't even figure their genders as a result of those policies among other things.

Where is the money going to come from?

Decreased spending (most likely the military would see the biggest cuts) and significantly increased personal income taxes on higher earners.

And by the way, I'm not advocating anything specifically. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which appears to have been lost in this overall conversation.
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[gipper]

I don’t know anyone on the left who wishes to be like Venezuela.

 

[Norman]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise.

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum.
.

Always with the continuum.

I meant that what makes you think US could become a social democracy from the current position? The social democracies just like social security in US started from a position of strength. Now people can't even figure their genders as a result of those policies among other things.

Where is the money going to come from?

Decreased spending (most likely the military would see the biggest cuts) and significantly increased personal income taxes on higher earners.

And by the way, I'm not advocating anything specifically. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which appears to have been lost in this overall conversation.
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You actually think that "significantly" increased taxes on high income earners is enough to pay for it?

The aggregate tax rate in Finland is almost 60%, and they too can't pay for it currently. They also have mandatory military service so get ready to be drafted.

It doesn't matter whether you are advocating for something - social democracy is not wanted here, nor can we pay for it. What the leftists want is to loot free stuff, as always.

 

[Mac1958]

I don’t know how anyone on the left who wishes to be like Venezuela.

Me neither. The name sure is used a lot in debate, though.
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[frigidweirdo]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
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No, as a person on the left, Maduro is a moron. He's the sort of guy who puts his own political success above that of his country.

 

[gipper]

I don’t know how anyone on the left who wishes to be like Venezuela.

Me neither. The name sure is used a lot in debate, though.
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Yes but by conservatives

 

[Mac1958]

I am not left of center but my question to Mac is, what makes you think it's possible for US to become just like Finland? An almost 100% white nation that is smaller than one of our cities population wise.

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum.
.

Always with the continuum.

I meant that what makes you think US could become a social democracy from the current position? The social democracies just like social security in US started from a position of strength. Now people can't even figure their genders as a result of those policies among other things.

Where is the money going to come from?

Decreased spending (most likely the military would see the biggest cuts) and significantly increased personal income taxes on higher earners.

And by the way, I'm not advocating anything specifically. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which appears to have been lost in this overall conversation.
.

You actually think that "significantly" increased taxes on high income earners is enough to pay for it?

The aggregate tax rate in Finland is 60%. They also have mandatory military service so get ready to be drafted.

I'm not arguing the merits. I'm just pointing out how the Right constantly conflates Venezuela with those other countries I listed. I don't know if that's out of ignorance or intellectual dishonesty.

So, I'd like to know if they're right.
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[gipper]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
.

No, as a person on the left, Maduro is a moron. He's the sort of guy who puts his own political success above that of his country.

Agreed much like Obama.

 

[rightwinger]

I want America to worry more about helping its working people than helping its billionaires

 

[frigidweirdo]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
.

No, as a person on the left, Maduro is a moron. He's the sort of guy who puts his own political success above that of his country.

Agreed much like Obama.

No, not really.

Maduro is one step up from Obama's level.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum, including America.
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But yet you compare us to other countries in your op.

For fucks sake.

 

[Mac1958]

Two different countries will never be "just like" each other. This all exists on a continuum, including America.
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But yet you compare us to other countries in your op.

For fucks sake.

Actually no, I didn't. It's my interpretation of where I think the Left wants us to go.

Maybe you think it's Venezuela, I don't know.
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[gipper]

A question for anyone who thinks of themselves as being anything to the Left of Dead Center:

I'm constantly told that the Left wants America to be just like Venezuela, that's there is essentially no difference between Venezuela and social democratic countries like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland.

So, do you want America to be just like Venezuela, and if so, WHY, dammit!
.

No, as a person on the left, Maduro is a moron. He's the sort of guy who puts his own political success above that of his country.

Agreed much like Obama.

No, not really.

Maduro is one step up from Obama's level.

Maybe but I tend to think nearly all politicians put their success above that of their country. It is their nature no matter where they are from. Obama was certainly no exception

 

[OODA_Loop]

Actually no, I didn't. It's my interpretation of where I think the Left wants us to go.

Maybe you think it's Venezuela, I don't know.
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When you say Republicans think Venezuela is like Canada, Australia, Germany & Finland the assertion is Venezuela is different/wrong and that those countries are models the US should emulate.