PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

[Rozman]

A 2000 page nightmare that not even the Speaker of the House knew what the hell was in it.There was a bunch of stuff wrong with it.They could have done something good with this bill but like the typical Democrat politician they fucked it up.Tort reform was needed,letting people purchase insurance across state lines.The biggest mistake was forcing people to buy it in the first place...You can't force people to buy anything in this country.At least that's the way it used to be until Obama came along.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... why let actual facts get in your way

a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Smart people know that this current healthcare crap is unworkable... and then we will have the government explaining to all we stupid people that they need to save us... by bringing in 'universal health care'.

Action, consequence... and unintended consequences.... Anyone who believes this Administration has their best interests at heart needs that healthcare - stupidity is expensive to cure.

You should know.

Exactly, she was on target thanks for agreeing

Action, consequence... and unintended consequences.... Anyone who believes this Administration has their best interests at heart needs that healthcare - stupidity is expensive to cure

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well then, let's do the rational thing, put an end to the present system and adapt one that has a proven track record. Plenty to chose from, Canada, Japan, or even Taiwan.

Rationing is great until it's you who is being rationed.

Dumb ass, what is the differance between rationing on the basis of whether daddy has a job, or rationing on the basis of cost versus benefit?

If daddy doesn't have a job? That isn't rationing people can still get healthcare coverage through medicade dumbass.
Oh and you cannot be denied healthcare a doctor must see you here in America.

 

[editec]

Government takeover?

Hardly.

The Obama HC bill was the greatest gift our government could have given to FOR PROFIT insurance companies.

The fact that the Republicans didn't want Obama to get a political win, doesn't in any way change the fact that all Obama's so-called solution really did was make the government SUGARDADDY to a PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

That's not socialism, folks, that's pure GRAFT masquerading as government-sponsored social welfare.

Last time I checked it wasn't there's to give. It's not the governments money. Then again you just proved that the government took control of the healthcare system.

What hospitals did the government nationalize? ZERO

What doctors are forced to work for the government? ZERO

No, the government did not TAKE over health care....and complaining about that plan THAT WAY, confuses the issue of why that plan is a bad thing.

The government took over paying private insurance companies to pay private sector health care providers to give HC to the indigent.

Your complaint (that government does not have that right to do that) is arguably true, but that STILL doesn't mean that government "took over" health care.

It means the government has created still another way to fleece taxpayer pockets to give it to some people in the PRIVATE SECTOR.

That's not socialism, FYI, that's cronny capitalism.

Cronny capitalism is when the government makes some people rich at the expense of other taxpayers.

And that is what Obama's plan does.

 

[Old Rocks]

And the worse part, is that the Obama plan is better than what we have at present. Says a lot about the people defending our present rapeous system.

 

[editec]

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Lookie lookie mommy...... dumb people....

I see dumb people.
And the real problem is that they don't know they're dumb.​

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Government takeover?

Hardly.

The Obama HC bill was the greatest gift our government could have given to FOR PROFIT insurance companies.

The fact that the Republicans didn't want Obama to get a political win, doesn't in any way change the fact that all Obama's so-called solution really did was make the government SUGARDADDY to a PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

That's not socialism, folks, that's pure GRAFT masquerading as government-sponsored social welfare.

Last time I checked it wasn't there's to give. It's not the governments money. Then again you just proved that the government took control of the healthcare system.

What hospitals did the government nationalize? ZERO

What doctors are forced to work for the government? ZERO

No, the government did not TAKE over health care....and complaining about that plan THAT WAY, confuses the issue of why that plan is a bad thing.

The government took over paying private insurance companies to pay private sector health care providers to give HC to the indigent.

Your complaint (that government does not have that right to do that) is arguably true, but that STILL doesn't mean that government "took over" health care.

It means the government has created still another way to fleece taxpayer pockets to give it to some people in the PRIVATE SECTOR.

That's not socialism, FYI, that's cronny capitalism.

Cronny capitalism is when the government makes some people rich at the expense of other taxpayers.

And that is what Obama's plan does.

The question to address isn't have they taken control but can they take control in 2014 or 2015 because of obamacare? Can it be done yes it can and yes it will happen.

 

[editec]

And the worse part, is that the Obama plan is better than what we have at present. Says a lot about the people defending our present rapeous system.

Gotta disagree with ya on this one, OR.

This plan is guaranteed to make HC even more expensive than it already is.

If I was TRYING to screw up American HC, THIS is the plan I might have come up with.

This has all the worst elements of socialism and all the worse elements of cronny capitalism, too.

This plan truly gives us the worst of both worlds.

 

[hipeter924]

Every political site has to get something wrong, better to have some criticism about both parties than none at all, even if they get it wrong once in a while.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Distinction without a difference.

Don't think I would call it a lie, since it is such. But whatever.

 

[Oddball]

Right topic, wrong lie(s).

"This bill will bring costs down, reduce the deficit and you'll be able to keep your current insurance and doctor."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lie of the Year: Flay-yo, "I'm leaving USMB"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Right topic, wrong lie(s).

"This bill will bring costs down, reduce the deficit and you'll be able to keep your current insurance and doctor."

What are you doing with the $2,500 or 2,500% savings from switching to ObamaCare?

 

[Greenbeard]

Gov. may imprison you if you fail to comply

No, it can't.

Tort reform was needed,letting people purchase insurance across state lines.

What's with the obsession with interstate purchasing? Is it the fallacy that it will make hospitals charge lower reimbursements (instead of, potentially, driving them up)?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Gov. may imprison you if you fail to comply

No, it can't.

Tort reform was needed,letting people purchase insurance across state lines.

What's with the obsession with interstate purchasing? Is it the fallacy that it will make hospitals charge lower reimbursements (instead of, potentially, driving them up)?

I thought Obama was all about free enterprise, free markets and American entrepreneurship, what the fucking fuck? Was he lying? Is that not the way to drive down costs?

 

[Greenbeard]

I thought Obama was all about free enterprise, free markets and American entrepreneurship, what the fucking fuck? Was he lying? Is that not the way to drive down costs?

Costs of what? And markets for what? Are you talking about insurance or care?

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

Should have been called Repug-TeaBastard lie of the year. My X-mas gift to the Repugs.

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Just sayin'...

 

[Greenbeard]

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Just sayin'...

Wow, a town in Florida has the same name as a city in Russia. Amazing point!

 

[code1211]

Government takeover?

Hardly.

The Obama HC bill was the greatest gift our government could have given to FOR PROFIT insurance companies.

The fact that the Republicans didn't want Obama to get a political win, doesn't in any way change the fact that all Obama's so-called solution really did was make the government SUGARDADDY to a PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

That's not socialism, folks, that's pure GRAFT masquerading as government-sponsored social welfare.

Absoultely right! If they had done something to change the delivery of care, this might not have stunk so accutely of the bare faced grab of money that it is, but it didn't.

All this does is put the government in the pay line between the patient and the doctor and the thieves who have done so much for us in terms of graft, corruption, bribes and pay offs will now have a new revenue stream to steal from.

If they wanted to provide paid for health care for the 30% of Americans who do not have paid for health care, it seems that a good place to start might be to provide paid for healthcare for the 30% of Americans that don't have paid for health care.

That they chose to steal from the money that pays for the paid for healthcare of the other 70% of Americans, lied about this throughout the debate, continue to lie about it today, will not actually divulge the details until the Waivers are granted and will not actually define the changes for the average guy tells all you need to know.

What will it cost the $20K/year income guy with two kids to buy the mandated policy?

Well then, let's do the rational thing, put an end to the present system and adapt one that has a proven track record. Plenty to chose from, Canada, Japan, or even Taiwan.

I'm glad you brought that up. When the debate was in full swing, the health care system in the USA was compared unfavorably with all others on the planet. Our people suffer in the hands of the health care industry while in the rest of the world, those that are blessed by the care systems of the Socialists are blessed by superior care.

The debate ended.

The King of Saudi Arabia got sick and needed care. Where did he go? If you guessed the 26th worst health care system on the planet according to Nancy Pelosi, you'd be right. He came to the USA.

I'm pretty sure this guy gets just about the best of anything there is to have. Why do you suppose he came here where people die in the street and everyone dies early and no disease is ever cured?

What a maroon. Apparently he hasn't been blessed by the wisdom of Nancy.

 

[Greenbeard]

The King of Saudi Arabia got sick and needed care. Where did he go? If you guessed the 26th worst health care system on the planet according to Nancy Pelosi, you'd be right. He came to the USA.

I'm pretty sure this guy gets just about the best of anything there is to have. Why do you suppose he came here where people die in the street and everyone dies early and no disease is ever cured?

This is a strange argument. The richest folks on earth could also send their kids here for a world class high school education at one of those uber-expensive East Coast prep schools or even certain public high schools. Does that mean we have the best school system in the world?

Of course not. It means if money is no object, you can get some of the best ___ here. When it comes to health, yes, that includes care.

It does not mean, however, that our hospitals don't kill about 100,000 people every year through medical errors or that poor care coordination doesn't often have negative effects on health (and allow providers to avoid accepting joint responsibility for outcomes) or that our payment systems aren't misaligned with value. The reality is that our delivery system is fragmented and our incentive structures are warped. This may not matter much to a rich head of state who decides to pop over here for a procedure. But, if you're concerned with the population health of the American people, these deficiencies have huge consequences.