PolitiFact Spanked on ObamaCare

[NYcarbineer]

OK, let's settle this this way:

If the mandate is removed from Obamacare, will all of you who are using that as the straw you're clinging to to claim that the government has taken over healthcare THEN agree that Obamacare is NOT a government takeover?

(I'm guessing 'no')

Come talk to me when your employer tells you that he is cancelling your insurance because the new insurance rules have made it impossible for him to provide it anymore and tell the government has not taken over the insurance industry. I self insure myself, and my insurance company is dropping the type of policy because they will have to eventually anyway, especially since I refuse to pay for services I do not need, like mammograms and pap smears.

I have no idea what you're talking about; your communication skills are abominable.

 

[NYcarbineer]

2014 is the take over date. So it has been taken over.

Then tell me what will happen in 2014, specifically, to my health care plan.

Did you miss the vote for obama care? Even obama said people would lose their private Insurence. If that isn't governemnt control what do you call government control?

In short, you can't tell me. So STFU with this government takeover idiocy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Then tell me what will happen in 2014, specifically, to my health care plan.

Did you miss the vote for obama care? Even obama said people would lose their private Insurence. If that isn't governemnt control what do you call government control?

In short, you can't tell me. So STFU with this government takeover idiocy.

I have told you several times stupid 2014 and I just told you obama has said it also. Are you cherry picking my replies reading some and over looking others?

 

[chanel]

Communists seize and take over private industry. Socialist merely squeeze and control it. In hopes they can eventually seize and take it over. Be patient. Its a process.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did you miss the vote for obama care? Even obama said people would lose their private Insurence. If that isn't governemnt control what do you call government control?

In short, you can't tell me. So STFU with this government takeover idiocy.

I have told you several times stupid 2014 and I just told you obama has said it also. Are you cherry picking my replies reading some and over looking others?

I only asked how the government is taking over my healthcare in 2014. Is that when my doctors all start working for the government? Is that when my drugstore becomes government owned? Is that when my insurance payments start going directly to the government?

 

[Revere]

Yes, government will make administrative rules, just like they just did on death panels.

Insurance will be a Yugo. You can buy it from whomever you want, but you will get the same government mandated Yugo.

 

[asterism]

Yes, government will make administrative rules, just like they just did on death panels.

Insurance will be a Yugo. You can buy it from whomever you want, but you will get the same government mandated Yugo.

Just like flood insurance now.

 

[Trajan]

apparently the WaPo has finally caught up.


Health plans for high-risk patients attracting fewer, costing more than expected

By Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 27, 2010; 10:54 PM

An early feature of the new health-care law that allows people who are already sick to get insurance to cover their medical costs isn't attracting as many customers as expected.

In the meantime, in at least a few states, claims for medical care covered by the "high-risk pools" are proving very costly, and it is an open question whether the $5 billion allotted by Congress to start up the plans will be sufficient.

Federal health officials contend the new insurance plans, designed solely for people who already are sick, are merely experiencing growing pains. It will take time to spread the word that they exist and to adjust prices and benefits so that the plans are as attractive as possible, the officials say.

State-level directors of the plans agree, in part. But in interviews, they also said that the insurance premiums are unaffordable for some who need the coverage - and that some would-be customers are skittish about the plans because federal lawsuits and congressional Republicans are trying to overturn the entire law.

The Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, the program's official name, is an early test of President Obama's argument that people will embrace the politically divisive health-care overhaul once they see its advantages firsthand. According to some health-policy researchers, the success or failure of the pools also could foreshadow the complexities of making broader changes in health insurance by 2014, when states are to open new marketplaces - or exchanges - for Americans to buy coverage individually or in small groups.

Under the sprawling health-care legislation that Democrats pushed through Congress in March, the special health plans were designed as a temporary coping mechanism for a small but important niche among the nation's 50 million uninsured: people who have been rejected by insurance companies because they already are sick.

Twenty-seven states have created their own high-risk pools. The rest used an option in the law to let their residents buy coverage through a new federal health plan.

In the spring, the Medicare program's chief actuary predicted that 375,000 people would sign up for the pool plans by the end of the year. Early last month, the Health and Human Services Department reported that just 8,000 people had enrolled. HHS officials declined to provide an update, although they collect such figures monthly, because they have decided to report them on a quarterly basis.

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Health plans for high-risk patients attracting fewer, costing more than expected