PolitiFact Spanked on ObamaCare

[NYcarbineer]

The LMSM continue to play Russian Roulette with a 155mm howitzer.

Would you have felt better if they'd made your claim of a government takeover of the auto industry the lie of the year?

How did the government take over the auto industry? What they did was take over GM and Chrysler, but they left Ford, Toyota, and the other companies alone. Or are you going to try and claim the government takeover of GM was not a government takeover?

Frank said it. Take it up with him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

Again.


gov. mandates you will buy it or subsidize it for others


gov. mandates what kind


gov. fines you if you don't do as they tell you to do..




sounds like a takeover to me.

I have to buy car insurance. That hardly means that the government has taken over the insurance industry.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

Nor is stating that it did not happen going to make the opinion invalid.

The opinion that government has taken over the healthcare industry is not supported by the facts.

When I can't find a doctor in the U.S. who isn't working for the government, then you'll have at least a starting point from which to make your opinion 'valid'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

And Frank counters with an unreadable chart of some sort. lol

 

[Revere]

You don't have to "work for the government" if the government sticks its nose in every level of the delivery of your product or service.

Government controls you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

Again.


gov. mandates you will buy it or subsidize it for others


gov. mandates what kind


gov. fines you if you don't do as they tell you to do..




sounds like a takeover to me.

I have to buy car insurance. That hardly means that the government has taken over the insurance industry.

Why do you have to buy car insurance?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

Nor is stating that it did not happen going to make the opinion invalid.

The opinion that government has taken over the healthcare industry is not supported by the facts.

When I can't find a doctor in the U.S. who isn't working for the government, then you'll have at least a starting point from which to make your opinion 'valid'.

The opinion that the government is trying to take over health care is supported by what the government says. That makes anyone that says that this law is a first step down the slippery slope to government run health care, which is what almost everyone who is saying anything like that is actually saying, right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

And Frank counters with an unreadable chart of some sort. lol

And you totally miss the point. That chart is a diagram of what the new law mandates for government oversight of the health care industry.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't have to "work for the government" if the government sticks its nose in every level of the delivery of your product or service.

Government controls you.

So by your logic there's been a government takeover of, say, Walmart, because of all the rules, regulations, and laws a retailer has to follow.

lol, see this is how it works...

...if you broaden out your definition of what 'government takeover' means to the point where anything and everything the government is a factor in can be classified as a 'government takeover', then sure,

healthcare qualifies.

On the other hand, if you're not mentally retarded...

 

[Revere]

And the fool will also argue that government should control all those aspects of health care.

 

[Revere]

You don't have to "work for the government" if the government sticks its nose in every level of the delivery of your product or service.

Government controls you.

So by your logic there's been a government takeover of, say, Walmart, because of all the rules, regulations, and laws a retailer has to follow.

lol, see this is how it works...

...if you broaden out your definition of what 'government takeover' means to the point where anything and everything the government is a factor in can be classified as a 'government takeover', then sure,

healthcare qualifies.

On the other hand, if you're not mentally retarded...

Wal Mart can sell whatever it wants that can legally be sold, and charge whatever it wants for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And Frank counters with an unreadable chart of some sort. lol

And you totally miss the point. That chart is a diagram of what the new law mandates for government oversight of the health care industry.

Do you understand the term 'unreadable'? I mean LITERALLY unreadable, as in, the words cannot be SEEN clearly enough to read.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't have to "work for the government" if the government sticks its nose in every level of the delivery of your product or service.

Government controls you.

So by your logic there's been a government takeover of, say, Walmart, because of all the rules, regulations, and laws a retailer has to follow.

lol, see this is how it works...

...if you broaden out your definition of what 'government takeover' means to the point where anything and everything the government is a factor in can be classified as a 'government takeover', then sure,

healthcare qualifies.

On the other hand, if you're not mentally retarded...

Wal Mart can sell whatever it wants and charge whatever it wants.

Well in that case, since a significant portion of Walmart's business is pharmaceutical, you have just PROVEN that the government has not taken over America's healthcare.

lololol. oops.

 

[Revere]

So by your logic there's been a government takeover of, say, Walmart, because of all the rules, regulations, and laws a retailer has to follow.

lol, see this is how it works...

...if you broaden out your definition of what 'government takeover' means to the point where anything and everything the government is a factor in can be classified as a 'government takeover', then sure,

healthcare qualifies.

On the other hand, if you're not mentally retarded...

Wal Mart can sell whatever it wants and charge whatever it wants.

Well in that case, since a significant portion of Walmart's business is pharmaceutical, you have just PROVEN that the government has not taken over America's healthcare.

lololol. oops.

The FDA completely controls the pharmecutical business.

 

[westwall]

There was no government takeover of healthcare. Period. Denying it isn't going to make the lie true.

Again.


gov. mandates you will buy it or subsidize it for others


gov. mandates what kind


gov. fines you if you don't do as they tell you to do..




sounds like a takeover to me.

I believe that yes that fits the dictionary definition as well.

 

[EriktheRed]

The FDA completely controls the pharmecutical business.

You mean it even tells Big Pharma what to research and what not to, that kinda thing?

 

[Revere]

They can do all the reasarch the want. None of their product gets touched by consumers until the government steps in.

 

[EriktheRed]

lol, see this is how it works...

...if you broaden out your definition of what 'government takeover' means to the point where anything and everything the government is a factor in can be classified as a 'government takeover', then sure,

healthcare qualifies.

In case you haven't noticed it yet, that's the defiinition of SOCIALISM a lot of the wingers on here are going by.

 

[Revere]

Obamacare is socialist, since it seeks to redistribute health care resources to everyone, yes.

 

[EriktheRed]

They can do all the reasarch the want. None of their product gets touched by consumers until the government steps in.

Oh, so the government isn't actually running their businesses for them, then.

Yup, it's a pretty creative use of the word "takeover" you guys have.