Political Compass Test - TAKE IT!!!

[Vast LWC]

...and post results -- if you have the guts. Don't take it 3 times to try to alter it. Post 'em legitimately!!

What a bullshit test.

Astrology accurately explains many things.

What the fuck?

That one I understood. Belief in a higher power often coincides with belief in the possibility of things like Astrology.

Therefore, that question is related to religion, which is more of a right-wing thing.

 

[g5000]

mine

Mittens is almost hitler. What do you know?

Do you know what it is called when you claim to know what someone else believes?

It's called a strawman logical fallacy.

So when you make your own test, and then fill it out for famous people, you are building your own self-delusion.

 

[Uncensored2008]

right where I alwwasy score too.

Bullshit, you score in the very top, left corner. We all know it.

 

[Vast LWC]

I think I have a good understanding of the chart as well as the terms 'libertarian' and 'authoritarian'. Do you?

I go with Craig Biddle's definitions:

I don't think too many educated Americans who are astute in American politics and socioeconomics would have much quarrel with this.

Craig Biddle is a propagandist who doesn't understand the difference between left and right.

Use of that chart indicates a profound misunderstanding of modern culture, and (not coincidentally) indicates an ardent fan of Ayn Rand and the FoxNews network.

 

[Vast LWC]

Do you know what it is called when you claim to know what someone else believes?

It's called a strawman logical fallacy.

So when you make your own test, and then fill it out for famous people, you are building your own self-delusion.

True enough.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think I have a good understanding of the chart as well as the terms 'libertarian' and 'authoritarian'. Do you?

I go with Craig Biddle's definitions:

I don't think too many educated Americans who are astute in American politics and socioeconomics would have much quarrel with this.

Craig Biddle is a propagandist who doesn't understand the difference between left and right.

Use of that chart indicates a profound misunderstanding of modern culture, and (not coincidentally) indicates an ardent fan of Ayn Rand and the FoxNews network.

You are welcome to find any objective authority who will dispute the definitions presented.

 

[g5000]

I think I have a good understanding of the chart as well as the terms 'libertarian' and 'authoritarian'. Do you?

I go with Craig Biddle's definitions:

I prefer to go by what actual Libertarians really want.

Answer "Strongly Disagree", "Disagree", "Agree", or "Strongly Agree" to the following Libertarian beliefs:

We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

Source: https://www.lp.org/files/LP Platform 2012.pdf

We support repeal of laws that impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws, so-called “protective” labor legislation for women and children, & governmental restrictions on the establishment of private day-care centers. We deplore government-fostered forced retirement, which robs the elderly of the right to work. We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and “aid to the poor” programs.

No labor laws, no Social Security, no Medicare, no food stamps, etc.

Source: Libertarian Party on Jobs

We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives.

Source: Healthcare | Libertarian Party

If the US were to pursue a policy of defending its own borders while avoiding foreign intervention, we could realistically reduce our defense budget to as little as $125 billion over the next five years.

Shrink our military to one eighth its current size.

Source: Libertarian Party on Defense

We favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.

Source: Platform | Libertarian Party



Eliminate the Federal Reserve: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/End-The-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/B006J3V150/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342640332&sr=8-1]End the Fed[/ame]

Pollution of other people’s property is a violation of individual rights. Strict liability, not arbitrary government standards, should regulate pollution. We demand the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.

No environmental regulations. Source: Libertarian Party on Environment

We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act. This law denies the right to liberty and property to both employer and employee, and it interferes in their private contractual relations.

Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party

We oppose all so-called "consumer protection" legislation which infringes upon voluntary trade, and call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

Source: 1972 Libertarian Party Platform - LPedia

We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration, which has jeopardized safety by arrogating to itself a monopoly of safety regulation and enforcement. We call for privatizing the air traffic control system and transferring the FAA's other functions to private agencies.

Source: 1992 National Platform of the Libertarian Party - Critiques Of Libertarianism

We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration and particularly its policies of mandating specific nutritional requirements and denying the right of manufacturers to make non-fraudulent claims concerning their products.

Source: 1992 National Platform of the Libertarian Party - Critiques Of Libertarianism

 

[Vast LWC]

You are welcome to find any objective authority who will dispute the definitions presented.

All "objective authorities" will dispute the definitions presented.

The chart used in the majority of this thread is also known as the "Nolan Chart", first developed by David Nolan, who was instrumental in forming the Libertarian Party.

A Far-Right culture would be a Theocratic regime, that attempts to control all aspects of a nation's morality.

A Far-Left culture would be a communist/socialist regime that attempts to control all aspects of a nation's production/economy.

 

[Vast LWC]

A prime example of a right-wing segment of the population would be the "Moral Majority", which seeks to impose government restrictions on morality and individual liberty concerning social matters, but does not want any government restrictions on industry and trade.

A prime example of a left-wing segment of the population would be the Green Party, which seeks to impose government restrictions on industry and trade, but does not want government restrictions on individual morality or personal liberty.

 

[Vast LWC]

I prefer to go by what actual Libertarians really want.

Answer "Strongly Disagree", "Disagree", "Agree", or "Strongly Agree" to the following Libertarian beliefs:

And the fact that I strongly agree with half of what you said, and strongly disagree with the other half,

While Foxfyre most assuredly agrees with the half that I disagree with, and vice-versa,

proves that the Nolan chart works.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are welcome to find any objective authority who will dispute the definitions presented.

All "objective authorities" will dispute the definitions presented.

The chart used in the majority of this thread is also known as the "Nolan Chart", first developed by David Nolan, who was instrumental in forming the Libertarian Party.

A Far-Right culture would be a Theocratic regime, that attempts to control all aspects of a nation's morality.

A Far-Left culture would be a communist/socialist regime that attempts to control all aspects of a nation's production/economy.

So basically, the Obama administration, then....

 

[Vast LWC]

So basically, the Obama administration, then....

That would of course be some serious hyperbole, but admittedly, they do lean that way.

 

[Pogo]

...and post results -- if you have the guts. Don't take it 3 times to try to alter it. Post 'em legitimately!!

What a bullshit test.

Astrology accurately explains many things.

What the fuck?

That one I understood. Belief in a higher power often coincides with belief in the possibility of things like Astrology.

Therefore, that question is related to religion, which is more of a right-wing thing.

Can't agree with that. Astrology's got nothing to do with religion unless you stretch the definition of "religion" to a personal understanding of the cosmos -- but that's certainly not a right-wing thing (and even then astrology doesn't explain cosmic matters so it still cant be considered a religion anyway).

I had the same reaction to that question. What can it possibly have to do with political views?

Then when they got to the "morals/religious" question they failed to explain what they meant by "religious". As one who's had training in proper framing of poll questions (as well as in astrology), I thought this batch of questions was quite a train wreck.

 

[Pogo]

OK, as far as I can see, Hitler is right where he should be.

"Left" is defined as Government control of the economy and means of production.

"Right" is defined as Government control of social and moral matters.

Since Hitler engaged in both, he would be almost a pure Authoritarian.

I disagree. Hitler should have been in the upper left corner of the upper left quadrant. "Left" in this country means government control of both the economy AND social and moral matters. "Right" means individual liberty and the ability to form the sort of society the people wish to have free of government interference so long as nobody's unalienable rights are violated.

I disagree with both of you. Plunking Hitler either in the center or certainly on the left, is absurd. He belongs as far northeast as you can get on the chart.

Authoritarian, we all agree, but the ideas of strong military, hyperpatiotism/hypernationalism, "fatherland", the idea of identifying an "other" group (Jews, Gypsies, Communists, homosexuals, intellectuals) and blaming/persecuting them, eugenics, "Kinder, Kirhce Küche" -- these all live on the fringe of the far right side.

The ultimate government control you correctly note, Foxy, is why he's in the north -- not why he's east or west. Hitler hated the left and took any measures he could think of to eliminate it. To put Adolf Hitler on the left of this chart (or even in the center) belies a fundamental nonunderstanding of what Left and Right mean.

 

[Pogo]

I disagree. Hitler should have been in the upper left corner of the upper left quadrant. "Left" in this country means government control of both the economy AND social and moral matters. "Right" means individual liberty and the ability to form the sort of society the people wish to have free of government interference so long as nobody's unalienable rights are not violated.

I'm sorry, but the fact that you said that shows that you don't understand this chart at all.

And also that you have a misunderstanding of the terms "Left" and "Right".

I think I have a good understanding of the chart as well as the terms 'libertarian' and 'authoritarian'. Do you?

I go with Craig Biddle's definitions:

I don't think too many educated Americans who are astute in American politics and socioeconomics would have much quarrel with this.

Uh yeah, except all of us. Who came up with this monstrosity - Jonah Goldberg? Theocracy on the left? Classic liberalism on the right?? On behalf of Jerry Falwell and Tom Paine....

This sorryass revisionism is right out of 1984's Ministry of Truth. "We have always been at war with Oceania!" Please. I notice also it pushes authoritarianism onto the side it's obviously prejudiced against. This is the most whacked-out absurd graphic I've seen all day.

Here's one a little better, although it's positioned upside-down and backward from the test chart:

As is this one:

But for a better left-right (west-east) positioning system, this is the most comprehensive and logical one I've found -- pay special attention to the social attitudes:

 

[Vast LWC]

Can't agree with that. Astrology's got nothing to do with religion unless you stretch the definition of "religion" to a personal understanding of the cosmos -- but that's certainly not a right-wing thing (and even then astrology doesn't explain cosmic matters so it still cant be considered a religion anyway).

I had the same reaction to that question. What can it possibly have to do with political views?

Then when they got to the "morals/religious" question they failed to explain what they meant by "religious". As one who's had training in proper framing of poll questions (as well as in astrology), I thought this batch of questions was quite a train wreck.

Yeah, you may be right. I may have been reaching.

The racism stuff confuses me as well as the astrology thing. I'm thinking that racism spans the spectrum.

 

[Pogo]

Can't agree with that. Astrology's got nothing to do with religion unless you stretch the definition of "religion" to a personal understanding of the cosmos -- but that's certainly not a right-wing thing (and even then astrology doesn't explain cosmic matters so it still cant be considered a religion anyway).

I had the same reaction to that question. What can it possibly have to do with political views?

Then when they got to the "morals/religious" question they failed to explain what they meant by "religious". As one who's had training in proper framing of poll questions (as well as in astrology), I thought this batch of questions was quite a train wreck.

Yeah, you may be right. I may have been reaching.

The racism stuff confuses me as well as the astrology thing. I'm thinking that racism spans the spectrum.

This one gets a little delicate.
First, as I remember the way the test framed it was something like "agree or disagree: people should stick to their own kind". That's not necessarily establishing racism, but the sentiment, as expressed on its face value, is a quite conservative one. Which is not to say that conservatism means racism, it doesn't... but more to say that upsetting the status quo for the purpose of aiming at a diverse society of 'liberty, equality, fraternity' would be a liberal idea.

Left prefers egalitarian, based on intrinsic humanity; right prefers hierarchical, based on merit. Another reason Hitler belongs firmly on the right.

Sure, racism spans the spectrum, because (a) racism is a more complex and visceral human dynamic than a simple political chart can integrate, no pun intended, and because (b) no person is firmly sitting in one spot on any of these charts on every issue. Placing oneself on any position on any of these charts is a very very general statement.

 

[dblack]

This test tried too hard to be subtle, succeeding only in being unclear.