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Joliet Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins fatally shot by California sheriff's deputy - WGN
Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch
It's amazing what you learn when you read articles that are not cherry picked.
The man was unarmed. Shooting him dead was not necessary. It's very sad.
A vehicle can and has been used as a weapon. But I don't expect an idiot like you to understand that.
I was 4 am in th emorning the man was driving at a high rate of speed he was acting irrational, the cop feared for his and the childrens safety.
I guess you would rather let an irrational man speed down the road with two young kids in the car at 4 in the morning.
You got shit fucked up!
A guy crashes through a gate. So right off, he is destroying property and an obvious hazard.
The cop calls for backup. So far, so good.
The man refuses to obey police commands. So far, the cops are in the right to be ordering him to submit to their authority. He has given them probable cause.
The man is totally in the wrong for not obeying police commands.
He then allegedly makes statements which the cop says caused him to fear for the children's lives.
I can think of a few things a guy who just crashed through a gate and acting irrationally might say which would make me very concerned about the lives of his kids. Something like, "I'm going to kill my kids."
He is now behind the wheel of a motor vehicle with his kids trapped in the vehicle with him. And he starts the vehicle.
Your options are actually very, very limited at this point.
Shooting him is probably the best option as shooting the vehicle itself is no guarantee it will be disabled. Shooting the tires will not disable the vehicle but may ultimately cause the vehicle to crash and injure the children.
All this is completely logical if the facts have been accurately presented in the various news reports.
Joliet Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins fatally shot by California sheriff's deputy - WGN
Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch
It's amazing what you learn when you read articles that are not cherry picked.
That is true, however the deputy has changed his story at least twice. The Sheriffs dept has also changed its story at least once. So far. Based on what I've read this is a bad shooting. I have a friend with the Riverside PD and he feels the Sgt. over reacted as well.
Most likely it's a poor training issue, but with the investigation ongoing it will be awhile before we know anything.
It's terrible he put his kids in a position to witness it as well.
It was his routine to go to that school and walk around the track and take his girls with him. If he was so threatening, why is this the only time anyone took issue with him?
A guy crashes through a gate. So right off, he is destroying property and an obvious hazard.
The cop calls for backup. So far, so good.
The man refuses to obey police commands. So far, the cops are in the right to be ordering him to submit to their authority. He has given them probable cause.
The man is totally in the wrong for not obeying police commands.
He then allegedly makes statements which the cop says caused him to fear for the children's lives.
I can think of a few things a guy who just crashed through a gate and acting irrationally might say which would make me very concerned about the lives of his kids. Something like, "I'm going to kill my kids."
He is now behind the wheel of a motor vehicle with his kids trapped in the vehicle with him. And he starts the vehicle.
Your options are actually very, very limited at this point.
Shooting him is probably the best option as shooting the vehicle itself is no guarantee it will be disabled. Shooting the tires will not disable the vehicle but may ultimately cause the vehicle to crash and injure the children.
All this is completely logical if the facts have been accurately presented in the various news reports.
film at 11?
all those police should have car cams.....wonder what they will show....of course the deputy is trying to cover his ass.....
It was caught on dashcam.
Joliet Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins fatally shot by California sheriff's deputy - WGN
Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch
It's amazing what you learn when you read articles that are not cherry picked.
That is true, however the deputy has changed his story at least twice. The Sheriffs dept has also changed its story at least once. So far. Based on what I've read this is a bad shooting. I have a friend with the Riverside PD and he feels the Sgt. over reacted as well.
Most likely it's a poor training issue, but with the investigation ongoing it will be awhile before we know anything.
Seriously? Police are trained, unlike military their first thoughts are to talk first, shoot later.
In this case we'll have to wait, but I've no doubt that a police officer that kills anyone, much less a marine is going to be in a bad place, especially an unarmed marine.
Joliet Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins fatally shot by California sheriff's deputy - WGN
Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch
It's amazing what you learn when you read articles that are not cherry picked.
Well that does change things.
Yeah, according the first article, he was walking away from the car when the officer yelled at him and when he turned around, the officer felt threatened so he shot him.
According to the second article, he was about to drive away, so the officer shot him.
Either way, it pretty much puts the officer in the wrong.
or their lack of training kicks in
Considering it was his routine to go to that school and walk the track, the officer's story is looking murkier and murkier. Why all of a sudden after all this time is there a problem?
Joliet Marine Sergeant Manuel Loggins fatally shot by California sheriff's deputy - WGN
Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car - San Clemente, CA Patch
It's amazing what you learn when you read articles that are not cherry picked.
That is true, however the deputy has changed his story at least twice. The Sheriffs dept has also changed its story at least once. So far. Based on what I've read this is a bad shooting. I have a friend with the Riverside PD and he feels the Sgt. over reacted as well.
Most likely it's a poor training issue, but with the investigation ongoing it will be awhile before we know anything.
Seriously? Police are trained, unlike military their first thoughts are to talk first, shoot later.
In this case we'll have to wait, but I've no doubt that a police officer that kills anyone, much less a marine is going to be in a bad place, especially an unarmed marine.
Considering it was his routine to go to that school and walk the track, the officer's story is looking murkier and murkier. Why all of a sudden after all this time is there a problem?
from a link on the OP linked page, to a related piece...
Union blames Marine killed by deputy for fatal shooting - latimes.com
The union said Loggins could be heard uttering "irrational statements" after he crashed through a gate in his GMC Yukon about 4:30 a.m. that morning and left his two daughters, 14 and 9, in the SUV as he walked to the athletic field. Friends have said he frequented the track to walk with his children and read the Bible.
The union said the deputy is a 15-year veteran of the department and a decorated former Marine himself. He radioed dispatch to report a "child endangerment situation," the union said.
Other sheriff's personnel arrived and comforted the children, who said their father "had been acting oddly," the statement said. When Loggins abruptly returned to his SUV, he ignored orders not to start the car and instead put it in gear, preparing to drive "and further endanger the children."
The union said the deputy, positioned by the driver's window, fatally shot Loggins as he began to pull the vehicle forward.
two sides to every story. The truth is usually in between someplace.
And the police officers union is on the police officers side regardless of his guilt.
I'll wait for the dash-cam footage before I pass judgment...
That is true, however the deputy has changed his story at least twice. The Sheriffs dept has also changed its story at least once. So far. Based on what I've read this is a bad shooting. I have a friend with the Riverside PD and he feels the Sgt. over reacted as well.
Most likely it's a poor training issue, but with the investigation ongoing it will be awhile before we know anything.
Seriously? Police are trained, unlike military their first thoughts are to talk first, shoot later.
In this case we'll have to wait, but I've no doubt that a police officer that kills anyone, much less a marine is going to be in a bad place, especially an unarmed marine.
Most police are very poorly trained. BART cops in the SF Bay area are notoriously poorly trained. So much so that officers will never call them as back up. This Sgt. has changed his story and that is never good. He either royally screwed up and is trying to cover it up ala Mehserle, or he is having second thoughts about the shooting and changing his story to try and make himself sound better. Either way it is a telling change in his story.
I think this is very sad, something was up with the Marine. Pretty much seems like 'suicide by police,' which is horrible for the police and his daughters.
New Details Released in Marine's Death | NBC San Diego
