Plutocracy and Democracy Don't Mix

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    Shades of Howard Zinn: It's Okay If It's Impossible | CommonDreams.org

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    Plutocrats are people too!
     
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    I didn't read the OP because the font is incorrigible.

    But the premise and Zinn's credibility as a historian are credible.

    Democracy and plutocracy are definitely adverse. Democracy seeks to distribute political power evenly across the population: whereas plutocracy seeks to hoard political power in as few hands as possible.

    It is poli power not votes that matters.
     
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    t r u t h o u t | Bill Moyers: "Welcome to the Plutocracy!"
     
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    I have been asking for some time now, why do so many ordinary Americans worship the rich?

    I never a sensible reply.

     
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    money is a tool. money is not finite.the populace is not stangant with the exception of the underclass, not money BUT politics and lust for power has created.

    the 'greatest' conquerors in the world have never been driven by money, they are driven by power.

    Zinn had an overly productive imagination, a beneficial totalitarian plutocracy based on moneyed principals may sound pat, but its not.
     
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    No, but a malevolent plutocracy sure is.
     
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    Status and economic output is supposed to reflect the actual survival rating of the participants and their descendants, plutocracy is the claim that this competition has been corrupted. Has it been?

    The Fed bubbles going back to 1958 the last year in which the CPI actually declined argues that this has and probably to a lesser extent still is indeed the case.

    I would argue that in a federation which the US purportedly is democracy is a plutocracy of political bosses and their economic agents who are usually the same thing.

    Plutocracy requires either a static or at least a predictable model of the economic future.

    Communications and logistics needed for defense or offense create the conditions that collapse plutocracy through internal and external competition and that is what is happening now but the process is not yet complete.

    The reemergence of mate selective competition on a more level playing field is a normal activity. The standard political promises of: a chicken in every pot (Henry IV's campaign slogan in the war of the three Henries); Two girls for every boy (one of the GOP's unofficial slogans for their moneymen); money for nothing and your chicks for free (one of the unofficial Dem slogans for their union based ground game) are not sustainable. The costs of growing 365 chickens a year for every family in France in the late 1500s was prohibitive as the current dynasty in Argentina is demonstrating with the shrinkage of the nation's herds and flocks. As to the GOP and the Dems has anyone told these idiots that women vote or that the guys who end up out in the cold as a result of these policies are likely to get resentful? The beneficiaries of the plutocracy are getting kicked off the inflationary gravy train and are upset. That is all that I see happening.
     
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    You see the masses revolting against the overlords, william? Seems to me just the oipposite it occurring...the Roves and Murdochs and Kockes are sweetly seductive these days, and many of the masses are enchanted.
     

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