Please listen to a truly offended veteran's Mother

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    Can there still be any question that President Bush is a coward? Is there any remaining doubt that Bush is not only a coward, but that he doesn't give two shakes about the thousands of men and women he has sent off to die, be mutilated, or be psychologically traumatized? Any such questions should be put firmly to rest by the story of Cindy Sheehan.

    On April 4, 2004, Cindy's son Casey died while ridding the world of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction - or liberating the oppressed Iraqis, or bringing peace and stability to the Middle East, or whatever lie the Bush administration happened to be telling at the time to justify their arrogant and short-sighted decision to thrust the U.S. into a wholly unnecessary and irresponsible war. In short, Casey died because his Commander in Chief, our dear President, sent him off to war.

    Now, a little more than a year after her son's death, Cindy wants answers. She wants to know why her son had to die. She wants to know why we invaded a country that posed no legitimate threat to our national interests. She wants to know the meaning of the Downing Street Memo's statement that within the Bush administration, "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." She wants to know what Bush means when he refers to the "noble cause" for which her son was killed. She wants to know why, if the cause is so damn noble, Bush's own kids aren't fighting for it?

    To that end, Cindy and the family members of many more casualties of Bush's war have set up camp outside Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch, demanding to speak with the man in charge.

    Only Bush isn't talking. Instead, he cowers behind the protection of one of his infamous "free speech zones," safe from the impertinent questioning of those naive enough to still think the U.S. is a democracy. He struts around in his boots and hat, pretending to be a cowboy from Texas instead of a rich-boy from Connecticut who summered in Maine. He hides, hoping the unsavory characters at his door will simply go away.

    Bush's refusal to speak to Cindy should come as no surprise. As made clear by his innumerable made-for-television "town hall meetings," Bush is either too dumb or too cowardly to face unscripted questions, much less be challenged by citizens who hadn't first passed their screen tests and sworn loyalty oaths. In keeping with his fear of anything resembling real leadership, Bush won't let even Cindy and her comrades within four miles of his desolate ranch. They were only allowed to come that close after being forced to park their vehicles eight miles away and then walk four miles in a ditch. When they dared walk on the road, they weren't permitted to go any further. Talk about gratitude: thanks for your unimaginable sacrifice, now walk four miles in this ditch.

    Undeterred by the offensive treatment she received on Bush's orders, Cindy has vowed to remain camped (far) outside the ranch until Bush decides to suck it up and talk to her. If he can't muster the courage in Texas, Cindy's vowed to follow Bush to Washington. She's got nothing to lose. Her son's already dead.

    Granted, Bush did speak with Cindy once before, approximately two months after her son was killed. Cindy claims that she was still in shock at the time, and who could blame her? Imagine the scene: a bereaved mother, grappling with the impossible concept that her son was dead. While in her state of mind-numbing grief and confusion, Bush consoles her with the same hollow platitudes used on countless other occasions. "Your son/daughter/husband/wife died in a noble and selfless cause." She nods her head, says thank you, sobs, and wonders how to rid herself of the ache in her chest. Meanwhile, Bush moves on to mechanically repeat the same lines to another grieving victim of his war on terror.

    The question is, why won't Bush hear out Cindy and her colleagues? If he is so cock-sure that his war in Iraq is "a noble and selfless cause," why would he feel threatened by those who question that assessment? If his administration did not fix the intelligence around its Iraq policy, why not answer the questions of those concerned by the Downing Street Memo and put their doubts to rest? If Bush does truly mourn every loss of American life lost in Iraq, why not come down from his lofty perch and give those whose loved ones have died in Iraq the respect they deserve, instead of forcing them to walk in a ditch?

    No need to answer. The questions are rhetorical.

    Psychoblues
     
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    Oh of course you wind up with 'rhetorical' since that fits your agenda so nicely. I guess you ARE aware of this then:

    http://www.thereporter.com/republished


    A mother that will denigrated her son's and others for her own agenda, that's worse than low.
     
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    How many friggen times are you guys going to post the same exact thread/subject in one week? We're up to 3, I believe.

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    (rant over - carry on)
     
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    This is going to sound incredibly cold, but I am going to say it anyway. I know that I care deeply about the men and women serving in Iraq because I have several friends currently there, I know that I care about their parents because I keep in touch with them, and fill them in on whatever I know of relevance....

    However...

    Asking a grieving parent, spouse, or child is their loved ones death was worth it is not neccessarily the best way to judge the value and/or importance of the war.

    I am sure that if we could we could find parents and wives who felt that turning away from the King and starting a new nation was a terrible idea after their sons and husbands died for that idea. I am sure that if we could, we could find a poor, unbelievably sad woman screaming about how we were all traitors to the King and how her son or husband died for a dishonest, terrible cause.

    Same for the Civil War, and WWI and II...if we looked...there will be people who do not feel that their child's, spouse's life was worth the cause it was lost for.

    Does this mean that we shouldn't listen to these people? Absolutely not. Their loved one gave the ultimate sacrifice...and that sacrifice means that they can speak out, ask the President to meet with them, speak to the press, etc.

    We should respect their loss and listen to them. Our hearts should go out to them. But we should also see these comments for what they are (whether they be good for the war effort or bad): the greiving comments of a heartbroken person trying to deal with the pain of loss.

    As a nation, we should constantly be evaluating whether or not our actions are worthwhile, whether the gains or potential gains outweigh the terrible costs...however, we need to make sure that in an emotional reaction to a greiving loved one...we do not take actions that would cause MORE grief, MORE pain, and MORE sufferring later on.

    This woman has obviously become absolutely overwhelmed with grief. It is making her act irrationally...meeting with the President one day and feeling comforted by his words...meeting with moveon.org another day and feeling that Bush doesn't care about her son or her loss.

    We should be aware and respect both aspects of her mourning process....but we should not base our Iraq/Afganistan policy on it.
     
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    Perfect assessment, as usual.
     
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    If every task ever undertaken were opposed by some mother somewhere, nothing would have ever gotten done, we would still be cowering in caves when the big bad tiger stalked by.
     
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    i know mom's that would send your ass out there to kill the tiger then give ya shit when ya got killed and sass ya with....do i have to do everything effen thing myself
     
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    The time to question whether the military is the right career for you (or your son/daughter) is before you enlist. Once you enlist, you are vowing to serve your Commander-in-Chief for a certain length of time. Period. Not for whatever operations you or your mother happen to like.

    I think her son would be mortified to see how his mother has devalued his death by denigrating the President he served, and the war in which he gave his very life.

    And shame on you libs who try to use this misguided woman as your standard-bearer!
     
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    Quote "And shame on you libs who try to use this misguided woman as your standard-bearer!"

    Cindy Sheehan is not a "lib". Many of her supporters are not "libs".

    We want to know what in God's name is going on. Period.

    George W. Bush is not helping to answer that question and neither are his cohorts and administration employees.

    Psychoblues
     
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    She founded Gold Star Families, an organization made up of families who have lost members to the Iraq War.

    Other members include Lila Lipscomb of Fahrenheit 9/11 fame and Sue Niederer, who challenged Laura Bush to send her daughters to Iraq and was arrested by secret service agents.

    Not libs....right.......
     

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