CDZ Please explain to me, The term "undocumented" is this a PC term for "illegal immigrant"?

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    Looks like piglet catching at the County Fair.
     
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    Mexico is not a signatory to any "Monroe Doctrine". :rofl: NO ONE IS. It ain't a treaty. Further, it was aimed at Europe, not Mexico.

    Go buy a history book someday and learn what the hell it is before you embarrass yourself beyond all recognition.

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    Wrong again Sac. And by the way, I live 30 miles from the border. The only people deported without a trial are those that elect deportation without a trail. If they do not voluntarily give up their right for a trial, they are taken to court and given a choice between pleading guilty at their hearing, or go to the slammer and await trial. if they do that, they could stay in jail for weeks, or even months, and they will lose anyway, so almost all of them plead guilty and immediately deported. I have attended these trials. Nobody may be deported against his will without a trial. You can take that to the bank. In fact, the link that I posted covers all of this. Obviously you did not read most of it. Sorry, pal, but even your hero Trump can not bend the Constitution.

     
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    And only a court of law can make the determination that someone crossed illegally. Not you, and certainly not Border Patrol. In fact, Border patrol does not even have the authority to search my car at a border station without probable cause:


     
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    You don't tell me my point, I tell you. And I'm telling now for the 3rd time, that was not my point. You want to know what my point is, then f'ing ask me!
     
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    No, that's not what I'm saying.
     
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    Damn! I have to keep explaining this. If a man robs a bank and kills someone in the process, he is immediately a robber and a murderer. While it is true that the justice system presumes his innocence until convicted in a court of law, if he did the crime, then he is guilty, convicted or not. And if he is convicted in a court of law, the time of which he became a robber and a murder dates back to when the man first robbed and murdered, not when the judge or jury announces the guilty verdict. Likewise, a person who is in the country illegally is an illegal immigrant from the time he enters the country illegally.
     
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    You can parse it anyway you want, but only a court can determine guilt. Until it has, the man is innocent. The problem I am addressing is those who feel that someone can be taken off of the streets and deported without a trial, or his voluntarily agreeing to the deportation. They claim that he has no Constitutional rights, BEFORE he has even been proven to be an alien, much less an illegal alien, by a court of law.
     
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    I am a native american, born in south carolina. A Caucasian native American.
     
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    The man is presumed innocent. Big difference.
     
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