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No, it doesn't. This is exactly how police agencies investigate sales to underaged minors. They have individuals POSE as an underaged minor with either fraudulent or no identification, and determine whether the bar serves them or not. If the bartender serves the person who is acting in an underaged role, he/she can be fined in the thousands of dollars.
In this instance, the reporter, who probably looked quite young, gave a false age and story to determine how the planned parenthood staff handled her. This is an entirely valid way to test their compliance with the mandatory report laws, and their professionalism.
For the record: EPIC FAIL.
I'm not saying the premise of going undercover is bad. I'm saying present the unedited version of the video and allow people to judge for themselves.
What you say sounds good and a lot of people believe it but I have a different view and maybe you'll see some truth in it. Since you're new you don't know me so let me tell you I'm 18 and come from a Baptist family. I grew up in Kansas which is probably as conservative as any place.
I had a strong parental influence. I went to church and did many family-based activities. I have never set a foot in daycare, my mother stayed home with us kids. We didn't have a lot of stuff. My dad still drives an old truck, my mom has a newer car but it's not flashy, she only has it because the old one finally died and couldn't be revived.
I think a lot of the problem is that by 13-14 your body is completely functional and you can't wait to use it. It doesn't matter that you're told not to. I had most of my early sexual experiences at church functions. I don't know what the solution is but I can tell you that warning kids of the consequences won't do anything. The only kids it's going to stop weren't going to do anything anyway.
Journalists do this all the time. It's a way to keep corporate America honest.
you are very bright and articulate for an 18 year old. and it's very true, the only kids who are stopped by warnings are the ones who wouldn't have done it anyway. You generally can't scare kids out of making their own mistakes. It's how they learn and grow and find things out for themselves.
I do find it amusing that most of your sexual experiences happened at church functions....makes me glad my daughter doesn't like church
Sequelae of Abortion
REQUIREMENT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TREATMENT:
In a study of post-abortion patients only 8 weeks after their abortion, researchers found that 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor. (2) A 5 year retrospective study in two Canadian provinces found significantly greater use of medical and psychiatric services among aborted women. Most significant was the finding that 25% of aborted women made visits to psychiatrists as compared to 3% of the control group. (3) Women who have had abortions are significantly more likely than others to subsequently require admission to a psychiatric hospital. At especially high risk are teenagers, separated or divorced women, and women with a history of more than one abortion. (4)
Since many post-aborted women use repression as a coping mechanism, there may be a long period of denial before a woman seeks psychiatric care. These repressed feelings may cause psychosomatic illnesses and psychiatric or behavioral in other areas of her life. As a result, some counselors report that unacknowledged post-abortion distress is the causative factor in many of their female patients, even though their patients have come to them seeking therapy for seemingly unrelated problems. (5)
POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER (PTSD or PAS): A major random study found that a minimum of 19% of post- abortion women suffer from diagnosable post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Approximately half had many, but not all, symptoms of PTSD, and 20 to 40 percent showed moderate to high levels of stress and avoidance behavior relative to their abortion experiences. (6) Because this is a major disorder which may be present in many plaintiffs, and is not readily understood outside the counseling profession, the following summary is more complete than other entries in this section. PTSD is a psychological dysfunction which results from a traumatic experience which overwhelms a person's normal defense mechanisms resulting in intense fear, feelings of helplessness or being trapped, or loss of control. The risk that an experience will be traumatic is increased when the traumatizing event is perceived as including threats of physical injury, sexual violation, or the witnessing of or participation in a violent death. PTSD results when the traumatic event causes the hyperarousal of "flight or fight" defense mechanisms. This hyperarousal causes these defense mechanisms to become disorganized, disconnected from present circumstances, and take on a life of their own resulting in abnormal behavior and major personality disorders. As an example of this disconnection of mental functions, some PTSD victim may experience intense emotion but without clear memory of the event; others may remember every detail but without emotion; still others may reexperience both the event and the emotions in intrusive and overwhelming flashback experiences. (7)
Women may experience abortion as a traumatic event for several reasons. Many are forced into an unwanted abortions by husbands, boyfriends, parents, or others. If the woman has repeatedly been a victim of domineering abuse, such an unwanted abortion may be perceived as the ultimate violation in a life characterized by abuse. Other women, no matter how compelling the reasons they have for seeking an abortion, may still perceive the termination of their pregnancy as the violent killing of their own child. The fear, anxiety, pain, and guilt associated with the procedure are mixed into this perception of grotesque and violent death. Still other women, report that the pain of abortion, inflicted upon them by a masked stranger invading their body, feels identical to rape. (8) Indeed, researchers have found that women with a history of sexual assault may experience greater distress during and after an abortion exactly because of these associations between the two experiences. (9) When the stressor leading to PTSD is abortion, some clinicians refer to this as Post-Abortion Syndrome (PAS).
A LIST OF MAJOR PSYCHOLOGICAL SEQUELAE OF ABORTION
Already a long thread about this.
Can you post a link? Perhaps then someone may merge them?
It's here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...-parenthood-exposed-new-undercover-video.html
Oops, too slow.
What would have happened if Planned Parenthood hard reported this and the girl was called to testify. Um. It was only a test. I lied to Planned Parenthood.
This still proves nothing. PTSD can be gained from many things, homelessness causes PTSD, financial failings does as well, even work can. The connection is still unconfirmed because you would have to know all the details of their lives before. Also another thing that can cause it is anti-abortionists screaming and threatening you. Most military members have PTSD, even those related to them, especially at a time of war. It's not a viable basis of comparison. The other 'disorders' are common for anyone who receives any surgery, so again, not viable evidence.
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I would be thrilled, because it would demonstrate that this Planned Parenthood was following the law.
Why is it that when someone does an expose of something that people don't support, are suspicious of already, etc - they are heroes speaking truth to power, shedding light on an important issue, etc. etc.
But when someone does an expose of something that people support - then they're just little liars deliberately setting out to make innocent people look bad?
If you do some research you will see that Planned Parenthoods all over the nation are frequently shown to be more than willing to help young women receive abortions under less than legal circumstances, more than willing to accept money from bigots for "abortions on black women," willing to lie or "not hear" about rapes, molestations, etc.
Now...I'm perfectly willing to give the nurse in this video, and the Planned Parenthood employees the "benefit of the doubt" and state that they genuinely believe that they are helping these girls...rather than simply profiting off of their abortions...but that doesn't change the fact that Planned Parenthood is earning a reputation for being more interested in helping women get abortions under any circumstance, then it is about following the laws of the states they are in.
I support a woman's right to get an abortion...but I also support laws that are their to protect children from rape and abuse...both need to be recognized and supported.
You read that whole thing? Good for you. I think eots must give himself PTSD just being eots.
So you are okay with killing innocents because they didn't choose their father? IMO, there is no position more hypocritical than yours.I'm pro-life, with the exceptions of 'rape, incest, and life of the mother', (notice not 'health of the mother?') With that said, I agree with all of above that meshes with my pov. As Gem said earlier, the nurse, doctors, counselors, teachers, police, are all MANDATED reporters of child abuse.
So you are okay with killing innocents because they didn't choose their father? IMO, there is no position more hypocritical than yours.
Nice judgement call as well. The tape is heavily edited, but amazing that you can see the truth. Not.
