Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[AmericanGirl05]

Congress also authorized the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, established the retirement systems (CSRS, effective from the 1920s till 1984 and FERS, its successor), and also sets by law, annual and sick leave policies. Also, due process in adverse actions.

All of these are the same whether you are a lowly GS-2 clerk typist or Lois Lerner, Senior Executive.

Unions had nothing to do with it.

Unions have lobbyists and lobby as well.

Yeah, well, they aren't very effective if you ask me.

why not; they got union members collective bargaining pay and benefits without the effort or cost, if what you claim is true.

But they didn't, bozo.

The GS scale was established long before Federal employee unions. The GS scale was established in the 1940s.

Federal unions were granted limited collective bargaining rights in the Kennedy administration.

Granting rights and exercising rights are two different things; shill.

My point, which you seem to have missed, is that Federal unions had no authority whatsoever when the GS scale was established.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not the one resorting to fallacies while claiming I am for the "gospel Truth".

What benefits? They have a mortgage program available to their members? So what?

Retirement, health benefits, leave policies, due process, let alone pay, all set by Congress and available to all.

This page shows more than what you claim;

http://www.afge.org/Index.cfm?Page=memberbenefits

There are even pet benefits available through that union. Are you sure you are not just a shill?

Pet insurance? Yeah, I have pet insurance.

It's not my gold-plated retirement, courtesy of the US Congress.

Where does Congress get its metrics for compensation information?

did you check this section:

Retiree Benefits

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

 

[danielpalos]

Unions have lobbyists and lobby as well.

Yeah, well, they aren't very effective if you ask me.

why not; they got union members collective bargaining pay and benefits without the effort or cost, if what you claim is true.

But they didn't, bozo.

The GS scale was established long before Federal employee unions. The GS scale was established in the 1940s.

Federal unions were granted limited collective bargaining rights in the Kennedy administration.

Granting rights and exercising rights are two different things; shill.

My point, which you seem to have missed, is that Federal unions had no authority whatsoever when the GS scale was established.

Exercising rights already granted is my point.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

What benefits? They have a mortgage program available to their members? So what?

Retirement, health benefits, leave policies, due process, let alone pay, all set by Congress and available to all.

This page shows more than what you claim;

http://www.afge.org/Index.cfm?Page=memberbenefits

There are even pet benefits available through that union. Are you sure you are not just a shill?

Pet insurance? Yeah, I have pet insurance.

It's not my gold-plated retirement, courtesy of the US Congress.

Where does Congress get its metrics for compensation information?

did you check this section:

Retiree Benefits

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

 

[danielpalos]

This page shows more than what you claim;

http://www.afge.org/Index.cfm?Page=memberbenefits

There are even pet benefits available through that union. Are you sure you are not just a shill?

Pet insurance? Yeah, I have pet insurance.

It's not my gold-plated retirement, courtesy of the US Congress.

Where does Congress get its metrics for compensation information?

did you check this section:

Retiree Benefits

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Pet insurance? Yeah, I have pet insurance.

It's not my gold-plated retirement, courtesy of the US Congress.

Where does Congress get its metrics for compensation information?

did you check this section:

Retiree Benefits

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

There is an annual "comparability survey" but Congress and the President routinely ignore it because it shows Federal compensation about 15% below comparable private sector.

What is your reference to FERS about?

 

[danielpalos]

Where does Congress get its metrics for compensation information?

did you check this section:

Retiree Benefits

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

There is an annual "comparability survey" but Congress and the President routinely ignore it because it shows Federal compensation about 15% below comparable private sector.

What is your reference to FERS about?

About market based metrics based on union participation in the private sector.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

I can get insurance and investment advice from any number of sources. I don't need a union.

Secondly, every Federal retiree can participate in FEHBP for their Medicare supplement (actually, it replaces Parts B and D). You don't need AFGE for that.

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

There is an annual "comparability survey" but Congress and the President routinely ignore it because it shows Federal compensation about 15% below comparable private sector.

What is your reference to FERS about?

About market based metrics based on union participation in the private sector.

Really. Attorneys are unionized? How about contract specialists?

 

[danielpalos]

The point is you may not have the benefits package you do, without union lobbying efforts regarding compensation in the private sector as that form of market based metric; especially in the case of employment in the private sector.

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

There is an annual "comparability survey" but Congress and the President routinely ignore it because it shows Federal compensation about 15% below comparable private sector.

What is your reference to FERS about?

About market based metrics based on union participation in the private sector.

Really. Attorneys are unionized? How about contract specialists?

Unions merely need to participate in markets to provide those metrics for the private sector.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

The retirement system was established in the 1920s. Since CSRS was (because it's closed to new entrants) much more generous than virtually all Fortune 500 systems, I'd say unions had nothing to do with it.

Where is Congress getting their market based metrics from?

FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: aBasic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

There is an annual "comparability survey" but Congress and the President routinely ignore it because it shows Federal compensation about 15% below comparable private sector.

What is your reference to FERS about?

About market based metrics based on union participation in the private sector.

Really. Attorneys are unionized? How about contract specialists?

Unions merely need to participate in markets to provide those metrics for the private sector.

The comparability survey covers each job category hired by the Federal government. So, attorneys. Lots of those unionized? Management and program analysts? Is there a comparable private sector job? Oh, well, consultants. But they aren't unionized.

(P.S. The latter is the most numerous job title in the Federal government).

 

[danielpalos]

It is about the market based metrics that unions provide in the private sector.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

It is about the market based metrics that unions provide in the private sector.

But they do not provide them for the vast majority of Federal government jobs, which are either not unionized mostly in the private sector and a significant portion do not exist in the private sector.

You do realize that only a small minority of private sector jobs are unionized, right?

 

[danielpalos]

It is about the market based metrics that unions provide in the private sector.

But they do not provide them for the vast majority of Federal government jobs, which are either not unionized mostly in the private sector and a significant portion do not exist in the private sector.

You do realize that only a small minority of private sector jobs are unionized, right?

Yes, but, unions represent collectives of the People; you must understand how that affects bargaining position under any form of capitalism, right?

 

[AmericanGirl05]

It is about the market based metrics that unions provide in the private sector.

But they do not provide them for the vast majority of Federal government jobs, which are either not unionized mostly in the private sector and a significant portion do not exist in the private sector.

You do realize that only a small minority of private sector jobs are unionized, right?

Yes, but, unions represent collectives of the People; you must understand how that affects bargaining position under any form of capitalism, right?

I think you are confused.

 

[danielpalos]

It is about the market based metrics that unions provide in the private sector.

But they do not provide them for the vast majority of Federal government jobs, which are either not unionized mostly in the private sector and a significant portion do not exist in the private sector.

You do realize that only a small minority of private sector jobs are unionized, right?

Yes, but, unions represent collectives of the People; you must understand how that affects bargaining position under any form of capitalism, right?

I think you are confused.

I know you only have diversions for your Cause.

When you join the union, you have access to these AFGE benefits. These benefits are backed by the collective strength of over 10-million members of AFL-CIO unions.

 

[Papageorgio]

Federal employee unions cannot collective bargain. FDR made sure of that.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Federal employee unions cannot collective bargain. FDR made sure of that.

JFK gave the unions limited bargaining rights.

They can fuss about who sits where.

 

[Papageorgio]

Unions in LA are asking that their members be exempt from the $15 minimum wage law. Who is looking out for who?